“I thought I was going to the Carolina Panthers. Then they took Kelvin Benjamin.”

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, PhillyB said:

dumb. he would've had prime time future HOFer cam newton throwing to him here. but you're a weirdo shadow racist street preacher cam hater so of course you have this wonky ass take

Lol, your dumd @ss woke self don't even see how stupidly ridiculous your post is.  The Panthers have never been close to the Packers organization, so of course players tend to have better careers there.  Back to the pit where the 10 or so of you stroke each other off. 

[DJ feed me moore]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

I've already been down the rabbit hole of Dave Gettleman's failures.

yeah this is nothing new, have had about 5 years now to marinate on it. the worse decision of gettlemagic was 2015 and not giving up our first round pick for Megatron. He would have won us the superbowl and retired....

[Anybodyhome]

We could take this thread and literally just plug in names of players who didn't live up to their draft hype, contract or scouting, trade or FA expectations.

It's kinda like asking the question, "Is North Korea any better off now than it was 30 years ago?"

Who gives a fug? It's still North Motherfugging Korea!!!

[45catfan]

21 minutes ago, YourLastThought said:

Make no mistake Kelvin Benjamins career went to crap by his own hand. Though I haven't agreed with every move our Panthers have made over the years (Keeping Rhule this season for example) but Kelvin Benjamin lost his career because Kelvin Benjamin was not mentally strong enough to handle it all and keep it as well as rise above the adversity that hits everyone at some point while also having less than ideal discipline to his body, his nutrition and his work ethic. This is all opinion based but take Kelvin Benjamin and start his career with the greatest NFL franchise there is and he still would have Kelvin Benjamin'd hi self right out the league. His downfall was on Kelvin unfortunately. Nobody cut his legs out from under him or stabbed him in the back except his own choices. We all make choices both good and bad and we live with the consequences both good and bad. Kelvin's just happened to take away an amazing thing such as a dream career that many men would have dedicated their lives to and died for.

Yes, KB was ultimately responsible for his own mistakes, but you cannot rule out his surroundings.  Look at how many promising careers have hit the skids going to unstable franchises.  On the flip side, Adams is the highest paid WR in the League.  Do you think that would have been possible if we drafted him?

[countryboi]

We  dont need to monday morning QB this, KB look like the right pick at the time and we were very happy with him till he decided he like snacks more than football. 

[Anybodyhome]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Adams is the highest paid WR in the League.  Do you think that would have been possible if we drafted him?

To be fair, Steve Smith is one of the highest paid WRs of all time, with respect to career earnings.

[Mr. Scot]

On the flipside (hopefully)

McCreight is a long time NFL personnel guy with two Super Bowl rings.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

His life is better off for it.  The Panthers would have screwed up his career.  In Green Bay he had a future HOFer throwing to him, competent coaching staffs and a solid front office.  Imagine if KB went to the Packers?  Heck, he may not be washed up like he is right now and further more, be having a decent career.

Perhaps, but we just may have won Super Bowl 50...

[Davidson Deac II]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd say 90% is an awfully high number.

It's the smart teams that tend to make the right call. We haven't traditionally been one of the smart teams.

I suppose the question would be what percentage of the NFL is smart vs not.

I wouldn't.  A few years ago, I saw some stat on teams that hit or miss on their draft picks, and we actually were in the top 1/3 of the NFL.  I forget the exact number, but if a team had two draft picks per draft that lasted more than 3 years, they were above average.  

Fwiw, this is just an opinion, but I don't think we are the best, or the worst, when it comes to the Draft.  Somewhere in the middle is more likely.  But we have combined that with some really bad decisions related to free agency on the oline and qb.  Which is why we have been so bad the last couple of years.  

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps, but we just may have won Super Bowl 50...

Perhaps, but between the refs, our RT getting killed by Miller, our staff's unwillingness to roll him help and the League wanting Manning to get his second ring (see refs), that game was a steep uphill climb when it should not have been.  Bad WR play, or should I say, better WR play would not have been the difference maker in that game.  Keeping Miller off Cam and consistent, FAIR calls by the refs and the outcome probably would have been different.

Edited May 16, 2022 by 45catfan

[Mvp2014]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

dumb. he would've had prime time future HOFer cam newton throwing to him here. but you're a weirdo shadow racist street preacher cam hater so of course you have this wonky ass take

Toxic af.  Can you not handle an opposing opinion without name calling like a child?  

[Mvp2014]

46 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yes, KB was ultimately responsible for his own mistakes, but you cannot rule out his surroundings.  Look at how many promising careers have hit the skids going to unstable franchises.  On the flip side, Adams is the highest paid WR in the League.  Do you think that would have been possible if we drafted him?

Uhhh yes very likely.  Its just football.  Theres not some magic knowledge in GB that made him good.  

Imagine Devante learning under Steve Smith

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Manna said:

KB made sense then and I still agree with the pick today. He did well and met expectations are a number 1 WR. I believe it was when his mother passed that it affected him emotionally and psychologically which led to his downfall. People cope differently and I think his way of coping just so happened to derail his NFL career. 

Agreed. By all accounts he looked like the best player on the field during the joint practices when he tore his ACL. Then his mom passed and it just all spiraled from there. The combo of the too was just too much for him to overcome and yeah, it would be a lot. I'd be a lot more sympathetic toward him if he hadn't tried to throw anyone and everyone under the bus in an effort to blame everyone but himself.

[PhillyB]

8 minutes ago, Mvp2014 said:

Toxic af.  Can you not handle an opposing opinion without name calling like a child?  

lol you must not post here much. i don't recognize your handle. this cat45 guy has been posting here for years and has made his views about race, society, and the greatest quarterback in franchise history very, very well known