2022 Pass Protection Expectations

[kungfoodude]

54 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Not sure why you keep living in the past. This is now.  

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Your conclusion is correct but your premise is terrible. Cam started 5 of those games for us last season and averaged an abysmal 135 YPG passing, compared to Darnold’s 210 YPG in his starts.

What did Sam average after his first four games and the NFL got some tape on him in our offense? His stats are significantly skewed by his first four games that were pretty good.

[shaq]

7 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Y'all Darnold supporters need to explain Joe Burrow then. Year one, gets his leg ripped off. Year two, takes the most sacks in the league. Also year two, takes his team to the Super Bowl. Why is Darnold not playing like Burrow is, though they are in similar situations protection wise?

Solid point, just shows the difference between a franchise QB and whatever Darnold is. One counter argument is coaching, as Burrow has a legit offensive head coach in Zac Taylor calling plays vs us with a college football passing coordinator and then Rhules college roomate at OC calling plays.

[MasterAwesome]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What did Sam average after his first four games and the NFL got some tape on him in our offense? His stats are significantly skewed by his first four games that were pretty good.

Huh? You’re the one who spoke broadly on our entire season’s passing yardage and attributed that to Sam, and I’m pointing out Sam only started 2/3 of the season and way outperformed our other two starting QBs on passing YPG. So our season’s lackluster passing yardage was dragged down significantly by our other two QBs, mainly Cam.

But okay if we exclude Sam’s best FOUR games of the season (lol) then he still had 30 passing YPG more than Cam. So again, your conclusion is correct (Sam sucks) but your premise is pretty silly.

[shaq]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What did Sam average after his first four games and the NFL got some tape on him in our offense? His stats are significantly skewed by his first four games that were pretty good.

I agree with you but the drop in production could be on some level linked to the loss of Paradis then Erving/Eflein on the oline. Then Darnold’s shoulder injury, I digress im not a Darnold truther I just could see a situation where with a better OC/oline that he proves himself enough for another team to sign him next offseason and net us some sort of comp pick. Then Corall gets a year to learn the system and he gets his oppurtunity, or if Darnold is really poo again we draft a rookie next draft and have a QB competition. 

[shaq]

This is a question I have for everyone, if Corall was on the team last year with his current skill set would he have been our best QB?

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Huh? You’re the one who spoke broadly on our entire season’s passing yardage and attributed that to Sam, and I’m pointing out Sam only started 2/3 of the season and way outperformed our other two starting QBs on passing YPG. So our season’s lackluster passing yardage was dragged down significantly by our other two QBs, mainly Cam.

But okay if we exclude Sam’s best FOUR games of the season (lol) then he still had 30 passing YPG more than Cam. So again, your conclusion is correct (Sam sucks) but your premise is pretty silly.

My premise is that Sam sucks. The rest is just fodder.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, shaq said:

I agree with you but the drop in production could be on some level linked to the loss of Paradis then Erving/Eflein on the oline. Then Darnold’s shoulder injury, I digress im not a Darnold truther I just could see a situation where with a better OC/oline that he proves himself enough for another team to sign him next offseason and net us some sort of comp pick. Then Corall gets a year to learn the system and he gets his oppurtunity, or if Darnold is really poo again we draft a rookie next draft and have a QB competition. 

I honestly think it was just the NFL getting film on him in this offense. Once they got the limited offense dialed in and could take away his first read, Sam was cooked. People are knocking Brady and he got scapegoated but our offense changed dramatically going from Teddy to Sam. Teddy was limited in his ability to physically deliver but Sam was limited on his ability to mentally process. The latter proved even more limiting to the overall offense than the former. We were basically running a high school offense last year because it's all Sam could grasp.

[poundaway]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How can people buy into this myth? Go back and watch Darnold. A lot of his worst play comes when he has good protection and time to survey the field. He plays well when his first read is open or when he's forced to dump it off to his checkdown due to immediate pressure. Sam with time to survey the field against decent coverage is usually a recipe for disaster. Better protection isn't going to fix his issues. He just doesn't see the field like a QB needs to.

His best protection was the first three games and is supported by the OL injury history during last season and OL stats support it.    His best production was during those games.  Some say it is because the Jets and Houston sucked and the aints were depleted, on the road and had covid.

ok

I guess we'll see. At this point, it looks like Sam is going to start the year.   According to you, we should see a shltty Sam the moment we play a difficult team regardless of the OL state. 

[poundaway]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly think it was just the NFL getting film on him in this offense. Once they got the limited offense dialed in and could take away his first read, Sam was cooked. People are knocking Brady and he got scapegoated but our offense changed dramatically going from Teddy to Sam. Teddy was limited in his ability to physically deliver but Sam was limited on his ability to mentally process. The latter proved even more limiting to the overall offense than the former. We were basically running a high school offense last year because it's all Sam could grasp.

Teddy had 2 years in the offense before he started playing for the Panthers. The first time we saw Teddy play in this offense, Kyle Allen actually looked better, and we beat them in NO.  Teddy looked awful.   Sam had a preseason, and by the end of the season we were so depleted on the OL, were on our 13th line configuration.

Look, Sam sucks, in fact, I think Teddy is a better QB than Sam, but to say that Sam won't play better with a better line just doesn't sound right.

[poundaway]

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, poundaway said:

Teddy had 2 years in the offense before he started playing for the Panthers. The first time we saw Teddy play in this offense, Kyle Allen actually looked better, and we beat them in NO.  Teddy looked awful.   Sam had a preseason, and by the end of the season we were so depleted on the OL, were on our 13th line configuration.

Look, Sam sucks, in fact, I think Teddy is a better QB than Sam, but to say that Sam won't play better with a better line just doesn't sound right.

It doesn't sound right because you're not thinking about Darnold specifically and his specific flaws. They aren't fixed by an OL. They aren't fixable period. He isn't a QB mentally. He's a physically talented thrower of a football but he's not a QB.

[poundaway]

11 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Before we get all excited about our projected OL, please keep in mind that the guy making the decisions on who starts is the one that willingly started Pat Elflien and Cam Erving for most of last season. 

I know he has more football knowledgeable people in the building now but he may not listen to them. We hope he does, but that remains to be seen.

The huddle has predicted that micromanager Rhule will

1) F up the new coach selections.  No good coaches will want to come here.
2) Ignore the new coaches OR ignore Fitt during the draft.  Our draft is going to suck because we don't have a 2nd or 3rd.

Instead...
We have NFL experienced coaches who have shown success in their very positions.
We have an LT picked at 6, the very FIRST offensive player off the board.
We have the QB that our new OC wanted.
We have highly rated linemen in Bozeman and Corbett.

Now it is possible that the prediction is true that Rhule will play Erving or Elflien over Ikem, Corbet or Bozeman, but I doubt it. 

In fact I'll bet you avatar for avatar that outside of injury, Ikem, Corbet, Bozeman and Taylor are in the starting lineup day 1.

 

[poundaway]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It doesn't sound right because you're not thinking about Darnold specifically and his specific flaws. They aren't fixed by an OL. They aren't fixable period. He isn't a QB mentally. He's a physically talented thrower of a football but he's not a QB.

I guess we'll see, unless Corral  decimates him in camp, or we pull the trigger on a vet.