What if Rhule turns out to be a really good just being a coach?

[poundaway]

2 minutes ago, onmyown said:

the hate for Rhule should not be blinding

That ship has sailed.

[poundaway]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is kind of why a "flipside" sort of question applies...

What happens if the seasoned NFL assistants come to understand they're serving under someone who's not as smart as they are?

Its like you've never worked for anyone, anywhere.

[Actionman0z]

1 hour ago, Fan01 said:

I jumped off the Matt Rhule bandwagon along with most everyone but I am curious to how he does with Fitterer obviously the man in charge.  That same coach that has total control over everything is a much different coach went he's reducing to only coaching.  Rhule has millions of reasons to be humble but a lot of guys have much bigger egos then any amount of money so I do give credit to Rhule for getting on board this new Panther train.

With Fitters and Morgan buying the groceries and guiding Rhule with some NFL experience and oversight he may turn out to be a really good coach.  Every since he got here I will say it has seemed like we do a lot with very young and raw talent then would be expected.  I think his staff has done a good job coaching up players outside of the oline.  That was a disaster.  We've course corrected without starting over. 

Rhule may end up being a great fit with Fitterer as opposed to another coach who would want more say so and control.  Rhule has been humbled and may now actually be in a perfect position to excel. 

 

Then people here should literally get a belly full of white dog poo 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Fan01 said:

First time owner.  First time NFL head coach with complete control.  OC with zero experience.  A very young team.  What could go wrong?

Tepper and Rhule has gotten some very hard lessons and at least Tepper so has learned from them.  We know have much, much more NFL experience among the coaching ranks, especially with McAdoo as OC.  Fitterer, with a ton of experience on building a team leading the way.  That same young team growing together.

I like seeing things that are not working changed by Tepper and company and am very  interested in how it'll pan out.  It's like Fitterer came in a little quiet and watched and slowing starting to train everyone.  Now, he's in charge and things are happening and everyone is saying, oh snap, so this is how you're supposed to do it.

The wishful thinking is that some fans are assuming that Fitterer is in charge.

[KSpan]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The wishful thinking is that some fans are assuming that Fitterer is in charge.

One only needs to look at Rule's absence from the stage this offseason and his relative silence during the post-dtaft conferences to know something has changed. Matt loves to hear himself speak and his silence is a huge turn from the last offseasons. I don't think power has shifted entirely but it seems very, very likely that things have shuffled behind closed doors.

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, KSpan said:

One only needs to look at Rule's absence from the stage this offseason and his relative silence during the post-dtaft conferences to know something has changed. Matt loves to hear himself speak and his silence is a huge turn from the last offseasons. I don't think power has shifted entirely but it seems very, very likely that things have shuffled behind closed doors.

It's just as easy to see that Rhule's mindset has changed after being humbled. I think all of them have been humbled to a degree after being relatively wreckless the last couple of seasons with the way they've mishandled the QB situations (spending good money on bad). Neither Tepper and especially Fitterer were totally innocent.

 

[thunderraiden]

2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

So I thought he did really well as a coach in year one. The situational decisions, things like that. Year two he did poorly. I do actually think there’s a chance he turns it around and last year was an anomaly. I’ve wanted him gone (and still do) because he was SO bad last year and I think the chances are greater that’s just who he is, but if he rebounds and gets back to year one form and keeps improving from there then I’m good with keeping him. 

Yeah that Chiefs game in 2020 was beautiful complete 180 from what we saw in 2021.

[KSpan]

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It's just as easy to see that Rhule's mindset has changed after being humbled. I think all of them have been humbled to a degree after being relatively wreckless the last couple of seasons with the way they've mishandled the QB situations (spending good money on bad). Neither Tepper and especially Fitterer were totally innocent.

 

I didn't say that Rhule was the only one who failed, as he and Tepper have both sucked hard during their respective tenures, but Dupes amount of power puts him first and foremost in line for blame. Maybe it's some newfound humility but unto it shows on the field, his dumbassery and inept NFL performance to date precedes him and he gets little to no benefit of any doubt.

[mav1234]

what has he done to suggest he can be a good coach? It seems that once other teams have film on our players, our schemes fall apart, which tells me he's not a very good coach.  I don't think I've seen a successful adjustment after the half at all, on any side of the ball, and our players frequently looked out of position.

but sure, what if... then Tepper looks smarter than me. Of course, maybe whomever he hired instead would have been even better? who knows!

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, poundaway said:

Found it.  Not quite, but close:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/players/david-tepper
"Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizer of college talent in the nation"

Your quote is  a judgement on how Marty had done based on Cam and Luke and co.

My post is Tepper saying what he knows happened, Rhule was key in assembling the current coaching staff, THIS year.

But go on, live in your fan fiction.

 

7 hours ago, poundaway said:

Its like you've never worked for anyone, anywhere.

[unicar15]

Matt Rhule is going to turn out to be really good bc he’s going to have a competent staff and a QB who can play. 
 

The scouts/GM are elite. The defense is elite. I think the DC is elite. The skill players are elite. I think the OL will be elite. 
 

The final piece is a QB who can help move the ball and not turn it over. I think Corral is that guy bc of all the other pieces around him. Rhule isn’t a terrible coach. He’s a dude who had to be shown it can’t always be “my way or the highway” just bc it’s his “process” they’re implementing. The league is too competitive for that. Now that he’s actually got a real coaching staff around him he’ll be good. Which was always going to be the case bc he wants to be a coach that delegates. 
 

 

[unicar15]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

It's just as easy to see that Rhule's mindset has changed after being humbled. I think all of them have been humbled to a degree after being relatively wreckless the last couple of seasons with the way they've mishandled the QB situations (spending good money on bad). Neither Tepper and especially Fitterer were totally innocent.

 

It’s hilarious to me that a significant number of people on this freaking internet message board were calling for a complete rebuild THREE years ago when they got rid of Cam. 
 

It’s like “MOVE UP TO GET A QUARTERBACK!” There’s no way a competent GM (Fitterer) would have stayed put for Brown when Herbert when 1 pick earlier. If they had been in QB mode from the outset of that season instead of patchworking with Bridgewater….think of the difference. 

 

[PanthersGTI]

Always worth noting....not one person who has worked with Rhule on a peer level or a player has a bad thing to say about him. I also don't know why people make it out to be a mystery, Tepper has been very upfront and vocal about the growing pains they've all had. Everyone can now look and marvel at what a little bit a patience can get you. The belief in the building is they started this out wrong with Marty and a too inexperienced coaching staff and with changes at those it will help Rhule grow by providing him the support a new NFL head coach needs. I think everything else is just people making poo up because they aren't happy. 

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

It’s hilarious to me that a significant number of people on this freaking internet message board were calling for a complete rebuild THREE years ago when they got rid of Cam. 
 

It’s like “MOVE UP TO GET A QUARTERBACK!” There’s no way a competent GM (Fitterer) would have stayed put for Brown when Herbert when 1 pick earlier. If they had been in QB mode from the outset of that season instead of patchworking with Bridgewater….think of the difference. 

 

You win some, you lose some. I believe any fan for any team can disect any draft and determine where mistakes were made. And, yes, sometimes the mistakes are colossal like the Steelers passing on Marino or multiple teams passing on Brady. That's a fact, but you go on. Hopefully this draft we got it right.