The one thing that is nagging at me about our QB pick...

[Khyber53]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

He knows how to get QBS to work his system.. There isn't much evidence that outside of New England and BB.. That his system works without him running it.. So his type of QB isn't a sure thing to work for other teams..

All you need is a QB that works within their coach's system. That's rarer than it sounds.

Mac and that system won twice as many games as we did last year. Just sayin'.

[WOW!!]

28 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

All you need is a QB that works within their coach's system. That's rarer than it sounds.

Mac and that system won twice as many games as we did last year. Just sayin'.

Again that system... We don't have that coach or that system so there is nothing to correlate here.. Mac Jones without that system could look as bad as Zach Wilson did...

Oh and let not play the he gets all the credit for their record either..

They won a game where he only pass the ball 9x that game..

[Proudiddy]

4 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

Not sure why the op is still talking up Howell.  That ship sailed several days ago.

Not talking up Howell.  Just pointing out what I've read.  As I said, I was going to be excited with whoever we picked from the group that was left on Day 2, outside of maybe Ridder, who I liked in college but just feel he doesn't have an NFL arm.  I really was warming up to Corral over the others in the last week or so before the draft.

3 hours ago, YoungPanthers89 said:

God help us if Howell ends up being half as good as these UNC fans think he is

Smh...  it has nothing to do with allegiance or alma mater (in my case) for me.  I obviously pull for my guys, but once it's time to go pro, thats a whole new and different level...  If they can be great pros, I want them on our team.  And if they can't and a guy from State (Hello, Ickey!) or Duke can, then come on aboard!  I was simply stating what I had read from various scouting reports and the deep ball was the biggest concern for me between the two.  But, many have shared info in this thread that has greatly alleviated the latest concern, and thats why I posted it...  for discussion.  I don't claim Howell will be good or bad in the pros.  I was more just surprised that he went from a possible first pick overall after 2020 to a 5th rounder after 2021.  But again, don't get me wrong, even before this thread, I was and am excited for Corral.  The stuff I've gleaned from what other have shared here with breakdowns and such has me less concerned and even more excited now.  I love the pick, and really, I loved it when we made it because leading up to the home stretch before the draft the more I read up on and watched of Corral, I really started feeling like he may be the best of the group.  I figured all the top 3 tackles would be gone off the board at 6 and we could trade back and pick him up in the late first or second.  The fact we got Ickey at 6 and Corral in the 3rd is still unbelievable.  

[Khyber53]

13 hours ago, WOW!! said:

 

They won a game where he only pass the ball 9x that game..

40 mph sustained winds on the field... a smart game plan says you don't pass in this. But hey, yanno, Madden right?

[RumHam]

Who drafted howell

[PanthersGOATFan336]

Kids gonna be the next Baker Mayfield and yall wanna hype him so bad I don't get it

[rebelrouser]

Arkansas figured out Matt Corral during the 2020 season by dropping 8 into coverage and forcing a ton of int's.  That defensive scheme followed Corral into the 2021 season, but he learned to be more patient, quit throwing longer passes into double coverage, and use his check down or run for yardage. His int's went down drastically because he listened to his coaches and had discipline.  NFL defenses won't take away the pass and dare us to run like college defenses did to Corral. That line and rb's will see to that.  Here is an article about d's dropping 8 on Corral:

247 Sports

[Stingray3030]

On 5/2/2022 at 7:07 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm numb to the Panthers making bad decisions at QB. I hope Corral isn't yet another one.

Even if Corral is the next Will Grier this won't be a bad decision - no matter what happens we saved picks and $$ by doing this instead of trading for Baker or Jimmy G.  At a minimum he is likely an upgrade at our backup QB position.  This is an absolute win regardless of Corral's future.  

[The Huddler]

TLDR

 

notorious whiner

[glenwo2]

On 5/2/2022 at 6:38 PM, Proudiddy said:

Don't get me wrong, I was going to be excited about the potential to develop any one of the guys that were available in the draft, outside of probably Pickett.  But, really, where we picked and what was available at the time, it really comes down to Corral versus Howell.  And again, to be clear, I was going to be excited about developing either...  but, the one thing that bothers me most about picking Corral over Howell is that ever since the team ran Cam into the ground and injured his shoulder, we have struggled the most with the deep ball.  And sure, teams can run functional offenses without it, but they never teach their full potential without it, imo.  If you can't take the top off of a defense and make them respect your ability to do so, it shrinks the field and makes the defense have to work a lot less.  It simplifies things for them to take away what you want to do.  Look at the best offense in the league, and the among the things they do best is stretch the field...

Now, back to Corral and Howell.  One of the biggest things that stood out to me about Howell was all of the various scouting reports I read on him emphasized one of his greatest strengths is his deep ball.  Many said he was the best deep ball passer in this draft.  I also read he tended to struggle with his accuracy in the short and intermediate the more anticipation the throws required...  on the flipside, I have read repeatedly that Corral is wildly erratic with his deep ball passing.  

Each guy has their strengths that excite you, and their weaknesses that scare you.  I love Corral's guts, grit, his lightning fast release, his creativity with his athleticism and legs to evade defenders and make plays as a runner, the zip on some of his throws, and he seems to be one of those contagious leaders that teammates just love.  His injury history and frame scare the poo out of me, and the inaccuracy issues on deep throws just doesn't sit well with me at all either.

With Howell, I also love his guts and grit, his arm, his ability to make plays as a runner as well (although not as impressive as Corral's), and obviously his deep ball accuracy.  He can and does literally make all of the throws.  And as a fellow Tar Heel, he has the going for him...  and regardless of how anyone feels with personal favorites or allegiances, it is still absolutely shocking that a guy who coming into 2021 was viewed as a Heisman favorite and was projecting to be a possible #1 overall pick, and at the very least the top QB of the class, lost multiple NFL playmakers from his offense and had to be the entire offense for UNC in 2021, has a tough year and slides all the way to the 5th round.  That is just unbelievable.  I honestly don't see how he slipped that far, and outside of his smaller stature, I don't really see the potential negatives as a passer that I see with Corral.  As a player, if you ignore his lack of height, he looks like the superior pure passer.

Now, back to the concerns...  I get that McAdoo runs a more WCO and wants a good balance with the run game.  But the thing that troubles me with this plan, which is essentially what we proclaimed we were trying to do under Brady.  Now, with the incredible improvements we've made on the OL, that system may actually function now...  but, people like pointing to McAdoo's success with GB and NY to a lesser degree...  in both of those instances, he had a QB who could throw it deep, with Rodgers obviously being one of, if not the best in the league at it.  If Corral can't effectively provide that threat, I worry about the ceiling that places on our offense, because eventually it puts us right back where we've been the last 3+ seasons.  I'm just not a fan of the dink and dunk garbage, because eventually the defenses compression the field and we've seen how ugly it can get when your QB can't threaten them downfield - like Darnold's entire game played without a first down.  

So, all that being said, to me, the QB being able to throw it downfield accurately is one of the most important, if not THE most important aspect of an elite offense.  All of the other stuff must be effective, but is all for naught if you can't stretch the field and stress the defense with your multiplicity.  So, the fact that to this point, this issue has been one of the biggest areas Corral has struggled with is a definite concern for me.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't intended to be a "negative nancy" post.  I'm excited about Corral.  I'm just concerned about the deep ball passing, especially when juxtaposed with what Howell offered as a passer had we chose him at that pick.  I hope we can coach him up and get that part of his game consistent and legitimate as a threat on any given play.

 

McAdoo chose this QB.

Let's not forget that.

I trust HIS ability to judge talent more than Rhule.

[Snake]

On 5/2/2022 at 7:05 PM, JawnyBlaze said:

I think wildly inaccurate on deep throws is a gross exaggeration. Some get away from him but from what I’ve seen (and heard from most sources) he’s still accurate deep, just not as needle threading as short and intermediate. 

Biggest problem I saw was he let balls hang up our under threw them. Both were because he has poor mechanics with his footwork. Same as Cam and Darnald. The big question is can BM progress him and get those problems gone. If he can then he will be a very accurate QB. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, PanthersGOATFan336 said:

Kids gonna be the next Baker Mayfield and yall wanna hype him so bad I don't get it

He's never going to be Mayfield idiot. He wasn't even drafted in the 2nd round. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

Howell has long been overrated by many on this forum. All the talk of how great he is and he ends up being a 5th round pick.

Let it go, folks. I'm not saying he's guaranteed to be awful in the NFL, but if he was as good a prospect as some here would have us believe he'd have gone a lot earlier than the 5th round.

[trueblade]

On 5/2/2022 at 7:42 PM, mc52beast said:

On the bright side; if both Sam and Matt suck we have a great shot at picking in the top 3 next year. 

So when Young goes number one, and Stroud goes number two, who are we taking at three?