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The one thing that is nagging at me about our QB pick...

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34 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

But I'm NGL, and again, as an alum, I have vested interest in the Heels' success, but I can see that...  I dont think having a laid back attitude in interviews should have much, if any bearing on how I feel about a prospect, and likely has little to do with their on-field disposition...  but, watching him in 2020, it wasn't evident because they were having success and didn't encounter much adversity.  But, watching last season, I was bothered by his lack of fire at times.  His leadership did not show up in games, IMO.  He seemed very passive...  now, there are guys that can win that way - leading with their play rather than their voice, but when you watch Corral, his leadership immediately jumps off the screen and he is fiery.  It feels like guys would take a bullet for him, and he would do the same for them.  It makes a difference, imo.

There's other types of leadership than rah rah BS. Dyami Brown was VERY happy he was drafted by Washington.

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I feel like Corral’s deep ball issues are overstated. It’s not like he wasn’t capable of throwing a bomb or was way off target. They just didn’t throw it deep very often and when they did he was either on the money or would overthrow (which is what you want, underthrow and get picked). I’ve seen clips of him hitting Moore on deep passes in stride the year before last. It’s just a timing issue and that can easily be coached/developed. I’m really not too worried about him physically except for durability. The big question to me is can he handle the mental side of the game reading defenses, going through progressions etc…

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I think I'd read a few places that his deep ball miscues were mostly from throwing on the run and not setting his feet - totally coachable, and we now have a guy who can do that in McAdoo, so I'm not overly worried. He's a rook who will make mistakes that he can learn from, plus he can hit the weight room to add about 10 more pounds of muscle if we're genuinely worried about his size/frame/build. It's all in how he approaches his opportunity and either makes it work or doesn't pan out. I'm ok with Corral, and I can't say I would have felt the same with any other QB this draft.

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After rewatching Corral clips tonight, I have to say there's a few things that really stand out:

1) I'm not sure he really has durability concerns, rather, the guy absolutely propels himself into defenders when running.  He just wants the yards and TD and plays with spunk.  For a lighter frame (that he will build out), the kid is a warrior and I see why he's gotten dinged.  He does however need to cool that type of head leaning for yards style.

2) The mid-range placement is quite good (15-25 yards).  I can see the slight under or overthrows on his deep balls but in game clips (not just the highlights) he doesn't hospital ball any of the slants or seam routes.  Always a nice arc, leading the guys downfield, steps into his throws really well.  Will have no issue getting the easy chunks on the CMC screens and DJ slants.  

3) Here's an advantage of being in an RPO offense -- he's used to reading the defense those first few split-seconds and making a quick decision.  Uses his eyes to fake out defenders and he does NOT stare dudes down which I find pretty rare coming out of college.  The guys in pro-offenses with these awesome OL/time develop bad tendencies.  Corral had to face nasty DLs, process fast in-play and make quick decisions.  But his downside comes when he faces man.  I think he'll be able to run offenses effectively in the NFL against zone, but a tight, man heavy defense with disguised blitzes are where he may get into trouble.  

4.) I like his pocket navigation.  Good balanced footwork, not the best in class but he doesn't have glaring issues needing correction

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Given it's McAdoo, I can see a lot of no huddle, west-coast, quick developing plays, not an extensive route tree; all designed to maximized YAC and keep an up-tempo rhythm.  An issue I see is that outside of CMC and DJ, we don't have the greatest RAC squad.  This is also why I think Higgins makes a run at the active roster and could stick.  But I actually see a bit of a void on the offensive skill player side of things.  Having a quick footed, lightning release RPO guy in Corral will translate pretty fine.  

I'm seeing a lot to be hopeful about.  He has top traits and intangibles that you can't teach which is the preferred type if we're going third rounder.   Not some volume guy with nothing that sets him apart from the other shmucks *cough* Grier

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2 minutes ago, davos said:

After rewatching Corral clips tonight, I have to say there's a few things that really stand out:

1) I'm not sure he really has durability concerns, rather, the guy absolutely propels himself into defenders when running.  He just wants the yards and TD and plays with spunk.  For a lighter frame (that he will build out), the kid is a warrior and I see why he's gotten dinged.  He does however need to cool that type of head leaning for yards style.

2) The mid-range placement is quite good (15-25 yards).  I can see the slight under or overthrows on his deep balls but in game clips (not just the highlights) he doesn't hospital ball any of the slants or seam routes.  Always a nice arc, leading the guys downfield, steps into his throws really well.  Will have no issue getting the easy chunks on the CMC screens and DJ slants.  

3) Here's an advantage of being in an RPO offense -- he's used to reading the defense those first few split-seconds and making a quick decision.  Uses his eyes to fake out defenders and he does NOT stare dudes down which I find pretty rare coming out of college.  The guys in pro-offenses with these awesome OL/time develop bad tendencies.  Corral had to face nasty DLs, process fast in-play and make quick decisions.  But his downside comes when he faces man.  I think he'll be able to run offenses effectively in the NFL against zone, but a tight, man heavy defense with disguised blitzes are where he may get into trouble.  

4.) I like his pocket navigation.  Good balanced footwork, not the best in class but he doesn't have glaring issues needing correction

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Given it's McAdoo, I can see a lot of no huddle, west-coast, quick developing plays, not an extensive route tree; all designed to maximized YAC and keep an up-tempo rhythm.  An issue I see is that outside of CMC and DJ, we don't have the greatest RAC squad.  This is also why I think Higgins makes a run at the active roster and could stick.  But I actually see a bit of a void on the offensive skill player side of things.  Having a quick footed, lightning release RPO guy in Corral will translate pretty fine.  

I'm seeing a lot to be hopeful about.  He has top traits and intangibles that you can't teach which is the preferred type if we're going third rounder.   Not some volume guy with nothing that sets him apart from the other shmucks *cough* Grier

Simplified route concepts are kind of a thing all over these days because it's gotten kind of hard to find college receivers that run a full route tree.

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Simplified route concepts are kind of a thing all over these days because it's gotten kind of hard to find college receivers that run a full route tree.

That’s true—it’s also what McAdoo was known for that he was bringing from GB back in the day. Reread a few Giants articles when they brought him in before becoming HC. We definitely brought in an interesting dude. Depending on what new shades he’s added to his offense, it may be nice to have a consistently faster paced offense and not just one that only forces itself into no huddle situations.

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3 hours ago, davos said:

After rewatching Corral clips tonight, I have to say there's a few things that really stand out:

1) I'm not sure he really has durability concerns, rather, the guy absolutely propels himself into defenders when running.  He just wants the yards and TD and plays with spunk.  For a lighter frame (that he will build out), the kid is a warrior and I see why he's gotten dinged.  He does however need to cool that type of head leaning for yards style.

2) The mid-range placement is quite good (15-25 yards).  I can see the slight under or overthrows on his deep balls but in game clips (not just the highlights) he doesn't hospital ball any of the slants or seam routes.  Always a nice arc, leading the guys downfield, steps into his throws really well.  Will have no issue getting the easy chunks on the CMC screens and DJ slants.  

3) Here's an advantage of being in an RPO offense -- he's used to reading the defense those first few split-seconds and making a quick decision.  Uses his eyes to fake out defenders and he does NOT stare dudes down which I find pretty rare coming out of college.  The guys in pro-offenses with these awesome OL/time develop bad tendencies.  Corral had to face nasty DLs, process fast in-play and make quick decisions.  But his downside comes when he faces man.  I think he'll be able to run offenses effectively in the NFL against zone, but a tight, man heavy defense with disguised blitzes are where he may get into trouble.  

4.) I like his pocket navigation.  Good balanced footwork, not the best in class but he doesn't have glaring issues needing correction

--

Given it's McAdoo, I can see a lot of no huddle, west-coast, quick developing plays, not an extensive route tree; all designed to maximized YAC and keep an up-tempo rhythm.  An issue I see is that outside of CMC and DJ, we don't have the greatest RAC squad.  This is also why I think Higgins makes a run at the active roster and could stick.  But I actually see a bit of a void on the offensive skill player side of things.  Having a quick footed, lightning release RPO guy in Corral will translate pretty fine.  

I'm seeing a lot to be hopeful about.  He has top traits and intangibles that you can't teach which is the preferred type if we're going third rounder.   Not some volume guy with nothing that sets him apart from the other shmucks *cough* Grier

I think he's the best in the pocket/under pressure in this class, who's better? It's not Pickett or Malik

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I’ve said it from the beginning. Corral has the most upside of anyone in this draft. That’s why they took him. If Corral hadn’t had the off-field stuff, the injury, and played in the Mountain West he would have been seen in the same light as Zach Wilson. 

The strength staff is going to put weight on him and work on his durability. The byproduct of that is picking up strength in his hips, quads, lower legs that is going to give him an even stronger arm. He is built like a high school senior right now. When he fills out and looks like an actual NFL QB it’s gonna be scary. 

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Stuff like this is why I did not become too hung up on one particular QB. If the staff selected Howell I would have hoped for the best. But they and others felt Corral was the better prospect. I honestly agree. Heels fans are going to have to move on it's been a couple days join us in the real world now folks.

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13 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I was a Howell guy and still think he was the most consistent producers in this QB class.. With Corral right behind him.. 

But we might have to admit maybe we were wrong...

Corral was Atleast consistently ranked 1 2 or 3 in the QB prospect rankings.. Howell wasn't.. And the league has spoken.. 32 teams passed on him 6x ...

Is this true?  Haven’t seen anything about this and very surprised by this if it is true…

Grabbed the wrong post…is it true he was drunk and high in interviews?

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