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A very technical writeup of our new QB Matt Corral

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So I’m not a huge fan of Corral but even I think this is a brutal write up.

I also think his pocket awareness is better than people realize. He has the same trait that Willis and Howell have, in reality they are their teams’ offense and at times hold on to the ball way too long trying to create something when it’s not there. I think that has more to do with being young and not understanding the concept of living to fight another day rather than just taking the the easy way out and saying that he has poor pocket awareness.

He is also nothing like Sam Darnold, Darnold can’t process a defense quick enough which has led to him being the worst passer in the NFL by a wide margin from a clean pocket. Some of Darnold’s best throws come on roll outs because it gives him time to scan the field and process what he is seeing.

Corral on the other hand can process a defense quickly and even in a simplified offense he manages to complete some nice passes in tight coverage.

I’m not exactly sure how you compare the worst QB in the NFL with a clean pocket to the best QB in the SEC with a clean pocket but I guess when your whole article trashes the kid you have to find stuff to make up.

I think Corral faces an uphill battle because he’ll be learning a pro style offense (WCO) for the first time in his career and Lane Kiffin offenses are notoriously simple with intricate details mixed in (during Kiffin’s time at FAU they didn’t even have a physical playbook).

With that said, I think all the talent is there to be a solid QB it’s just going to depend on how he is upstairs and that’s what separates decent QB’s from great QB’s. Absolute worst case scenario is that you have someone that you are comfortable with as a backup.

Hopefully the kid puts it together. McAdoo has had some success mentoring QB’s so hopefully that continues.

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14 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

So I’m not a huge fan of Corral but even I think this is a brutal write up.

I also think his pocket awareness is better than people realize. He has the same trait that Willis and Howell have, in reality they are their teams’ offense and at times hold on to the ball way too long trying to create something when it’s not there. I think that has more to do with being young and not understanding the concept of living to fight another day rather than just taking the the easy way out and saying that he has poor pocket awareness.

He is also nothing like Sam Darnold, Darnold can’t process a defense quick enough which has led to him being the worst passer in the NFL by a wide margin from a clean pocket. Some of Darnold’s best throws come on roll outs because it gives him time to scan the field and process what he is seeing.

Corral on the other hand can process a defense quickly and even in a simplified offense he manages to complete some nice passes in tight coverage.

I’m not exactly sure how you compare the worst QB in the NFL with a clean pocket to the best QB in the SEC with a clean pocket but I guess when your whole article trashes the kid you have to find stuff to make up.

I think Corral faces an uphill battle because he’ll be learning a pro style offense (WCO) for the first time in his career and Lane Kiffin offenses are notoriously simple with intricate details mixed in (during Kiffin’s time at FAU they didn’t even have a physical playbook).

With that said, I think all the talent is there to be a solid QB it’s just going to depend on how he is upstairs and that’s what separates decent QB’s from great QB’s. Absolute worst case scenario is that you have someone that you are comfortable with as a backup.

Hopefully the kid puts it together. McAdoo has had some success mentoring QB’s so hopefully that continues.

And now the adverse to that stat:

 

Corral had a QBR of 42.2 when blitzed last season. No other drafted quarterback was below 70. Corral's average throwing distance when blitzed was 7.4 yards, 100th out of 124 FBS quarterbacks.

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1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

History shows qbs drafted after the first round have an extremely low chance of turning into franchise qbs. he’s got some really good stuff about his game so I’m hoping we get lucky. I like his attitude kept saying the panthers wouldn’t regret drafting him. So it seems he’s gonna put in the work to be the best he can be. I’m just glad we took a shot. We gotta take our shots.

Out of interest, what do you consider a 'franchise' QB? 'Cos to me there's only like 10 of those guys in the NFL.

Everyone else you're looking to upgrade on. I'd just be happy with a good NFL QB at this point. 

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And now the adverse to that stat:

 

Corral had a QBR of 42.2 when blitzed last season. No other drafted quarterback was below 70. Corral's average throwing distance when blitzed was 7.4 yards, 100th out of 124 FBS quarterbacks.

That has a lot to do with the offense that Kiffin runs which is concerning.

If you give him one read and it isn’t there and he’s being blitzed then he’s got to take the sack, throw it in the dirt, or try and force the ball in there.

For me it all comes back to the offense that he was a part of. But you could say that about nearly all the top QB’s in this draft except Pickett. Pickett is the only one that has a strong familiarity with a pro style offense but he also may not have the tools that someone like Willis or Corral has. But yeah… Willis came from a simplified offense that is built on a foundation of overloading the defensive personnel and making the defense make a choice, Corral came from a spread that used way too much RPO for my liking, Howell was never under center, and Strong came from an air raid and the only QB’s who seem to do well in the NFL from an air raid are mobile (Mahomes and Murray come to mind).

Not Corral’s or any of these QB’s faults that their coaches run odd offenses. It’s more about do they do enough things right where you think that you can coach them up.

The Panthers think that Corral does enough right and that he’s smart enough to learn a pro style offense so we’ll see what happens.

But this is also why I don’t start him day one. I honestly think he’ll gain a ton of experience just watching what Darnold does wrong on tape (and I hate to say that because Darnold is a nice kid).

 

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And now the adverse to that stat:

 

Corral had a QBR of 42.2 when blitzed last season. No other drafted quarterback was below 70. Corral's average throwing distance when blitzed was 7.4 yards, 100th out of 124 FBS quarterbacks.

I'll take Corral as a Darnold without the "Ghosts." Darnold has great attributes but can't see the field and has been too beaten up so much in the NFL he will likely never reach his talent potential. Our revamped line will help both QBs. 

 

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4 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

That has a lot to do with the offense that Kiffin runs which is concerning.

If you give him one read and it isn’t there and he’s being blitzed then he’s got to take the sack, throw it in the dirt, or try and force the ball in there.

For me it all comes back to the offense that he was a part of. But you could say that about nearly all the top QB’s in this draft except Pickett. Pickett is the only one that has a strong familiarity with a pro style offense but he also may not have the tools that someone like Willis or Corral has. But yeah… Willis came from a simplified offense that is built on a foundation of overloading the defensive personnel and making the defense make a choice, Corral came from a spread that used way too much RPO for my liking, Howell was never under center, and Strong came from an air raid and the only QB’s who seem to do well in the NFL from an air raid are mobile (Mahomes and Murray come to mind).

 

 

Thats why I have said since we picked him that we (or the staff rather) should know really quickly if Corral can go from an RPO to a pro style offense.   If he can then lets go, put him out there and see what happens.  If he struggles fug it draft someone next year.  IMO the only thing he needs to do is show he can grasp a more complicated offense.  

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13 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Out of interest, what do you consider a 'franchise' QB? 'Cos to me there's only like 10 of those guys in the NFL.

Everyone else you're looking to upgrade on. I'd just be happy with a good NFL QB at this point. 

I agree and you’re always looking to upgrade. So if corral isn’t it you keep looking even if he’s still on his rookie deal.

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13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats why I have said since we picked him that we (or the staff rather) should know really quickly if Corral can go from an RPO to a pro style offense.   If he can then lets go, put him out there and see what happens.  If he struggles fug it draft someone next year.  IMO the only think he needs to do is show he can grasp a more complicated offense.  

Personally, I think more time needs to be given to him. He can learn a lot from just watching what Darnold does wrong on film (as shitty as that sounds). I think if you throw him out there early you run the risk of ruining him which is what the Dolphins did with Tua.

Tua started week 6 of 2020 and at that point the Dolphins weren’t running RPO as heavy as they are now. Fast forward to 2021 and the Dolphins scrapped a lot of their pro style concepts that they were running with Fitzpatrick (presumably because Tua is having processing and accuracy issues - and their run game is ass). In 2021, there were games where 80% of his completed passes were coming from RPO plays (essentially dink and dunks)… and it’s not like the Dolphins we’re winning games because of him… it was more or less just asking him not to lose the game… think Trent Dilfer and the Ravens.

Develop Corral properly and see what he’s got when he’s ready. If you don’t feel that he’s ready then don’t play him. There’s no shame in riding out Darnold to Bryce Young or C.J. Stroud and a new coaching staff.

People get so caught up in the “we wasted a third round pick”… no we didn’t waste a third round pick, we aren’t in a position to win a Super Bowl right now and sometimes it takes more than one dart to hit the bullseye when searching for a franchise QB.

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I just happened to be watching the Ole Miss offense vs. Texas A&M. Instead of reading up on someone you can just see for yourself how Corral did. Personally I enjoyed watching Corral and tried to watch them whenever I could this year (big Kiffin fan tbf). 

 

With his mechanics, arm strength and moxxy, he can easily take over the offense this year with the weapons we have. If we can lean on the running game with our BEEF'd up offensive line, Donta Foreman and YAC from our receivers, he could do pretty well IMO.

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4 hours ago, electro's horse said:

 

Guy on another forum did a huge predraft writeup on all the qbs. Don't worry about who he is or who he works for. He gave me permission to post this here, states next offseason he might make a patreon or something. He also added a Panthers specific addendum at the bottom. 

Full disclosure, he does not like Corral as a prospect so do with that you will. 

 

Why would i care what some amateur Mel Kiper want to be writes in an opinion write up about our new quarterback Matt Corral.

I listen to NFL Scouts and former NFL Quarterbacks that many called Corral the best pure passer in the 2022 NFL Draft  class and had the most solid upside at the next level after he did an excellent job leading his team to a very successful season in the SEC in 2021.

 

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