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Chinn to stay at safety...

Mr. Scot

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1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

Oustside of two freak plays what else did he do so much better in his rookie season? 

His rookie year was full of stops at/around the LOS and he had some pretty athletic PBUs. For me, it comes down to the question of how easy is it to replace what someone does; no one made a similar impact at the LOS last year, but his lack of standout play in the secondary may be easier to replace.

In the end it just comes down to usage. Whether they call him a safety, LB, whatever, the dude just needs to be around the LOS instead of playing center field. 

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His rookie year they had to play him closer to the LOS out of necessity.  The linebackers were ass outside of Shaq so he had to play the run and the TE. Naturally he's pretty good at it and made an impact.  He should play safety however but I'm not sure they have solved the linebacker problems just yet.

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10 hours ago, Icege said:

In Chinn's rookie season when he lined up at LB often, he had:

  • 1 interception
  • 5 pass deflections
  • 2 forced fumbles
  • 2 fumble recoveries
  • 1 sack
  • 5 QB hits
  • 117 combined tackles (68 solo, 49 assists)
  • 2 tackles for loss

In his sophomore season at safety:

  • 1 interception
  • 5 pass deflections
  • 1 forced fumbles
  • 1 fumble recoveries
  • 1 sack
  • 5 QB hits
  • 107 combined tackles (75 solo, 32 assists)
  • 6 tackles for loss

After being moved 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage, Jeremy Chinn had only 10 less tackles (but 7 more solo tackles), 1 less fumble recovery, 1 less forced fumble, and 4 more tackles for loss.

I get that folks love their highlight reels, but how can anybody be claiming that he "disappeared" when the stats clearly show otherwise? Hell, he improved his TFLs while being 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage! 😮

 

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

His rookie year was full of stops at/around the LOS and he had some pretty athletic PBUs. For me, it comes down to the question of how easy is it to replace what someone does; no one made a similar impact at the LOS last year, but his lack of standout play in the secondary may be easier to replace.

In the end it just comes down to usage. Whether they call him a safety, LB, whatever, the dude just needs to be around the LOS instead of playing center field. 

More solo tackles in year 2.   More tackles for loss in year 2.  Same number of sacks.  Same QB hits.

The numbers don't back up the idea that he was more productive year 1.

 

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50 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

More solo tackles in year 2.   More tackles for loss in year 2.  Same number of sacks.  Same QB hits.

The numbers don't back up the idea that he was more productive year 1.

 

For the fourth time now, the point is that he didn't make anywhere near the impact this year spending half his time roaming the deep third. The stats alone don't tell the story, but since you keep citing them he also only played 15 games his rookie year vs 16 this year.

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11 minutes ago, KSpan said:

For the fourth time now, the point is that he didn't make anywhere near the impact this year spending half his time roaming the deep third. The stats alone don't tell the story, but since you keep citing them he also only played 15 games his rookie year vs 16 this year.

and how exactly did he make the impact??

Just because you made a tackle close to the line of scrimmage doesn't mean he is making a big impact if another LB would have made the same.

Under your logic if he makes a tackle 2 yards past the LOS he is making more of an impact than if he making a tackle 5 yards past the LOS.  That is incomplete logic.

What if that tackle he makes at 2 yards past the LOS another LB would have made one yard past the LOS then its not really impressive.  Then what if that tackle 5 yards past the LOS another safety would have made 6 yards past the LOS?  All of a sudden the tackle further back is more impressive.

You can't just look at where a tackle is made to judge a player.  There is so much more that goes into it.  Its all relative to how a replacement player would have produced in the same situation.

 

 

 

 

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Patience… he’ll be our Lynch/Polamalu/Reed… not saying he’s the 2nd coming of any of them, but he is gon’ be Our Guy, watch what I tell you….

 

when he gets to the point of having free reign, Chinn will have open season for a few seasons….

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4 hours ago, KSpan said:

For the fourth time now, the point is that he didn't make anywhere near the impact this year spending half his time roaming the deep third. The stats alone don't tell the story, but since you keep citing them he also only played 15 games his rookie year vs 16 this year.

Did we field a top 10 rush defense his rookie year?

Nope. 

We did field a top 10 pass defense.  

Pretty obvious where the larger impact was. 

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6 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Did we field a top 10 rush defense his rookie year?

Nope. 

We did field a top 10 pass defense.  

Pretty obvious where the larger impact was. 

Seriously? Teams also attempted the second fewest pass plays against Carolina (515) in the entire league because they didn't need to; 585 were attempted against them in 2020 and that was with 1 less game played. The team also gave up 26 passing TDs (middle of the pack) and had a rate in the bottom third. With regards to rush defense Carolina was 28th in the league in 'explosive run plays' on defense, giving them up 12% of the time.

Yet again, your stat doesn't tell the actual story.

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12 hours ago, KSpan said:

Seriously? Teams also attempted the second fewest pass plays against Carolina (515) in the entire league because they didn't need to; 585 were attempted against them in 2020 and that was with 1 less game played. The team also gave up 26 passing TDs (middle of the pack) and had a rate in the bottom third. With regards to rush defense Carolina was 28th in the league in 'explosive run plays' on defense, giving them up 12% of the time.

Yet again, your stat doesn't tell the actual story.

Yet you have no stats to support your biased opinion at all. Thanks for playing. 

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2 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Yet you have no stats to support your biased opinion at all. Thanks for playing. 

Biased toward what exactly? Not my fault the stats you and others cite don't support your point and that you have nothing to refute mine. I'm not even saying he was bad at safety, just that he was more impactful in his 2020 role.

Hell, there's not even a 2021 Jeremy Chinn highlight video - there are tons of them for 2020. Definitive/scientific? In no way, shape, or form. But interesting that arguably Carolina's second-best defender doesn't warrant the same attention this year, not even in the team's annual defensive recap video.

Compare to 2020, when the team highlighted him exclusively. Here's 4 defensive plays alone (one was his ST fake run).

Call it whatever position they want, but keep the man near the LOS.

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