Chinn to stay at safety...

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, t96 said:

Chinn is naturally a strong safety who should play in the box most plays like Kam Chancellor so this makes a lot of sense. He is not a coverage FS like Earl Thomas so as long as we don’t play him in that role like we did last year then I’m happy. He could play LB sure but he fits better at SS.

So he'll be fine as long as our coaching staff makes smart decisions?

Oy

[KatsAzz]

Part of the plan to move Chinn deeper to safety was to help get him away from potential blockers and  have more space to fly to the ball. 

Another factor was him being a smaller linebacker. It's not typical you see 218- or 220-pound linebackers in the NFL so that definitely played a part.

And as far as making plays, I feel Chinn can make them at either position. When he's used as a linebacker he's a little closer to the ball and a little closer to the line of scrimmage. When he's a safety, he can also make plays on the ball in the air.

[Panther'sBigD]

I feel better hearing that Wilks co-signed this, and that Rhule is listening to his position coaches. 

[Prowler2k18]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

...says Phil Snow, on the advice of Steve Wilks

Let me say for the record that I respect the hell out of Steve Wilks.

And with that said, I disagree with this decision.

Problem is he’s been moved around the past two season. He doesn’t have coverage skills of a  FS but if they can focus on developing at his natural SS spot he could be.  Playing closer to the LOS in run support, covering TE’s and blitzing is where his strength lies.

[Icege]

47 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

We have to go over this everytime a S of ours puts up ghost stats. You know it's a bad thing when your cover S puts up 100 tackles right? And that it always because of shite lb play right?

He should be at lb 

Also just check where most s get drafted compared to lb ... Says a lot

It's a bad thing for sure if your safety is racking up the stat line, but he was still able to maintain production despite the front seven falling off. Is the answer to make Chinn a LB full time? I don't think so, but that's because it's not necessary due to Snow's defense. He likes having a safety that can play in the box like Chinn does. Having somebody competent deep like Woods will allow Chinn to play more downhill again, and having the defensive line step up will keep him clean since he's only 220.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Icege

[matt rhules gut fat]

Wilks just doesn’t want a guy like Nakamura at safety again lol

[Prowler2k18]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So he'll be fine as long as our coaching staff makes smart decisions?

Oy

Being experienced assistants aboard is certainly a step in the right direction. Snow touted the additions of Wilks and Pasqualoni in yesterday’s press conference, which SHOULD lead to better results. Only time will tell.

[Prowler2k18]

37 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

Part of the plan to move Chinn deeper to safety was to help get him away from potential blockers and  have more space to fly to the ball. 

Another factor was him being a smaller linebacker. It's not typical you see 218- or 220-pound linebackers in the NFL so that definitely played a part.

And as far as making plays, I feel Chinn can make them at either position. When he's used as a linebacker he's a little closer to the ball and a little closer to the line of scrimmage. When he's a safety, he can also make plays on the ball in the air.

I agree but I think playing him deep sets him up to fail as coverage skills are not his strong suite. His size also works against him in the LB role, but he’s perfectly suited for SS in the mode similar to Kam Chancellor. I’m hoping the Xavier Woods signing will allow Chinn to focus and grow in that role as he very certainly has the skill set for it.

[t96]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

So he'll be fine as long as our coaching staff makes smart decisions?

Oy

Wilks is an extremely respected defensive coach and I trust him with our secondary.

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

In Chinn's rookie season when he lined up at LB often, he had:

• 1 interception
• 5 pass deflections
• 2 forced fumbles
• 2 fumble recoveries
• 1 sack
• 5 QB hits
• 117 combined tackles (68 solo, 49 assists)
• 2 tackles for loss

In his sophomore season at safety:

• 1 interception
• 5 pass deflections
• 1 forced fumbles
• 1 fumble recoveries
• 1 sack
• 5 QB hits
• 107 combined tackles (75 solo, 32 assists)
• 6 tackles for loss

After being moved 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage, Jeremy Chinn had only 10 less tackles (but 7 more solo tackles), 1 less fumble recovery, 1 less forced fumble, and 4 more tackles for loss.

I get that folks love their highlight reels, but how can anybody be claiming that he "disappeared" when the stats clearly show otherwise? Hell, he improved his TFLs while being 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage!

Great post.

Also look at his PFF grade from 2020 and 2021 and also his run defense grade vs pass defense grade.

Fans are stupid, they hear the announcers talk about Chinn leading rookies in tackles his rookie year and then see a few missed coverages his second year and form these absolute opinions that often far from reality.

His tackle totals are actually close, and in reality tackles by themselves are a poor stat to judge a player by.

Tackles are usually a product of position and defensive alignment.  You have to ask yourself did he make a tackle a tackle another safety would or wouldn’t have?  Also did he make the tackle earlier than another safety?  Or maybe he actually made a yard later?  At that point it’s a negative stat.

Just because he has a high tackle total doesn’t mean he is great against the run. Very possible he tackles well in space but might have trouble getting off blocks. 

 

[Icege]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Great post.

Also look at his PFF grade from 2020 and 2021 and also his run defense grade vs pass defense grade.

Fans are stupid, they hear the announcers talk about Chinn leading rookies in tackles his rookie year and then see a few missed coverages his second year and form these absolute opinions that often far from reality.

His tackle totals are actually close, and in reality tackles by themselves are a poor stat to judge a player by.

Tackles are usually a product of position and defensive alignment.  You have to ask yourself did he make a tackle a tackle another safety would or wouldn’t have?  Also did he make the tackle earlier than another safety?  Or maybe he actually made a yard later?  At that point it’s a negative stat.

Just because he has a high tackle total doesn’t mean he is great against the run. Very possible he tackles well in space but might have trouble getting off blocks. 

 

To add, he improved coverage wise but still statistically isn't very good there yet, but his pass rush numbers improved as well. He still misses a lot of tackles, but the fact that he's still producing AND improving is a good thing.

[Jackie Lee]

2 hours ago, Fox007 said:

We have to go over this everytime a S of ours puts up ghost stats. You know it's a bad thing when your cover S puts up 100 tackles right? And that it always because of shite lb play right?

He should be at lb 

Also just check where most s get drafted compared to lb ... Says a lot

Exactly, when his tackles are tackling Jermaine Carters guy after picking up 8-15 yards it's not the same production, just wasting him on clean up duty. I also prefer him running with TE's than getting lost in deep coverage, 105.3 average QB rating when Chinn was targeted

[KSpan]

28 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Great post.

Also look at his PFF grade from 2020 and 2021 and also his run defense grade vs pass defense grade.

Fans are stupid, they hear the announcers talk about Chinn leading rookies in tackles his rookie year and then see a few missed coverages his second year and form these absolute opinions that often far from reality.

His tackle totals are actually close, and in reality tackles by themselves are a poor stat to judge a player by.

Tackles are usually a product of position and defensive alignment.  You have to ask yourself did he make a tackle a tackle another safety would or wouldn’t have?  Also did he make the tackle earlier than another safety?  Or maybe he actually made a yard later?  At that point it’s a negative stat.

Just because he has a high tackle total doesn’t mean he is great against the run. Very possible he tackles well in space but might have trouble getting off blocks. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Icege said:

To add, he improved coverage wise but still statistically isn't very good there yet, but his pass rush numbers improved as well. He still misses a lot of tackles, but the fact that he's still producing AND improving is a good thing.

Can you name one impact play he made off the top of your head from last year? As compared to his rookie year, where he had 2 TDs vs Minnesota by being right around the ball and LOS along with consistently getting stops at that level? Not all stats are created equal, and that's the role people want to see him in instead of being way downfield. Maybe that's what they mean by safety, but as they used him last year he seemed basically invisible.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

In Chinn's rookie season when he lined up at LB often, he had:

• 1 interception
• 5 pass deflections
• 2 forced fumbles
• 2 fumble recoveries
• 1 sack
• 5 QB hits
• 117 combined tackles (68 solo, 49 assists)
• 2 tackles for loss

In his sophomore season at safety:

• 1 interception
• 5 pass deflections
• 1 forced fumbles
• 1 fumble recoveries
• 1 sack
• 5 QB hits
• 107 combined tackles (75 solo, 32 assists)
• 6 tackles for loss

After being moved 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage, Jeremy Chinn had only 10 less tackles (but 7 more solo tackles), 1 less fumble recovery, 1 less forced fumble, and 4 more tackles for loss.

I get that folks love their highlight reels, but how can anybody be claiming that he "disappeared" when the stats clearly show otherwise? Hell, he improved his TFLs while being 10yds further away from the line of scrimmage!

In his 1st year,  Chinn looked like the DROY. Hell, he would have been if Young hadn't been such a big name pre-draft. He had that much of an impact on games. He may not have always made the play but he definitely impacted how opposing offenses were run. Last year, it wasn't that he was invisible, he just didn't have that kind of impact on the field. He was an average FS making lots of tackles behind a bad front 7. That was a bad move by coaching staff. He has never been a FS. He should be at SS where his skills are better suited.