"What are we doing in the draft" 2022 edition.

[NJPanthers89]

20 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I don't think it's so much faith but rather blind hope.

It's like buying a single scratcher ticket for the year. Probably won't pan out but if you hit Oh Baby.

That's why I think he's the best option. We don't dig the hole any deeper by keeping him. Baker Jimmy and anyone else is barely an upgrade and digs that hole.

How does getting Baker continue to dig that hole?  He’s only going to be signed for this year and is going to cost next to nothing in draft compensation.  If he sucks he’s gone at the end of the year and we will be in a position to draft a QB again, and if he’s good we’ll then we can pay him accordingly or franchise him.  The guy actually has talent, something Darnold wishes he had.  I’m very in on giving Baker a chance, the odds of him hitting are better then any of this drafts QBs imho.  Take the OT at 6…

Worst case we get Jimmy G who is a more than competent stop gap for a year or two, could be our Alex Smith till we find our long term answer.  Jimmy G can probably take this team to the playoffs in a weak NFC.

[Verge]

3 hours ago, Reebis21 said:

@Verge who is your favorite player in the draft regardless of if they are the highest rated player on your draft board? And regardless if they are a fit for the Panthers.

[NCTHFL0567]

Just now, Verge said:

I think Stingley is going to be better. Not sold on a guy that played in such a crap conference. He did okay vs Bama though. I will say that. 

[Icege]

1. Is there a prospect that most scouts seem to be high on that you're incredibly low on (aside from Carson Strong, ofc)? What about a prospect that most are low on that you're very high on?
2. Strongest/weakest position groups in your opinion for this draft?
3. Any prospects that jumped out and caught your eye while reviewing a different player? Were you able to dive more into them and if so, what's your two-line summary?
4. Who was the most fun prospect for you to scout this year and why?

Edited April 19, 2022 by Icege
SO MANY QUESTIONS

[Verge]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Is there a prospect that most scouts seem to be high on that you're incredibly low on (aside from Carson Strong, ofc)? What about a prospect that most are low on that you're very high on?

I don't know about most scouts, but Tariq Woolen a lot of people have going in the 1st/early 2nd and I have him as a late 3rd/4th round guy. 

[Verge]

3 minutes ago, Icege said:

Is there a prospect that most scouts seem to be high on that you're incredibly low on (aside from Carson Strong, ofc)? What about a prospect that most are low on that you're very high on?

Just realized you had a second question lol 

People are a lot lower on George Pickens than I am. I would take him in the first round.

[grimesgoat]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Brady's system was a joke.  It was as if he was using the Madden 2015 playbook at times.  He lost CMC on offense and our #1 CB on defense--his offensive line was a putrid pile of crap. 

I am not sure he can do it even with CMC, Horn, and three new offensive linemen--and the new OL coach and OC.  However, he has never played in good conditions that he trusts--

We can feel confident that he will (if he gets the opportunity) be improved.  Enough?  I dunno.

In the second half of 2019, Darnold went 6-2.  He completed 61% of his throws for 243 yds/game.  He had 13 TDs, 4 picks.  And he was 22.  His "supporting" cast was Le'veon Bell (<800 yds for the year), Robbie Anderson (779/5) and Jamison Crowder (833/6).

That's the guy I want, at least for 2022. Maybe a real offense/coordinator can find that guy or even improve him.

If that guy shows up, we'll have a competitive team.  If not, we'll have a new coach next year and probably picking in the top 5.

[rebelrouser]

30 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

In the second half of 2019, Darnold went 6-2.  He completed 61% of his throws for 243 yds/game.  He had 13 TDs, 4 picks.  And he was 22.  His "supporting" cast was Le'veon Bell (<800 yds for the year), Robbie Anderson (779/5) and Jamison Crowder (833/6).

That's the guy I want, at least for 2022. Maybe a real offense/coordinator can find that guy or even improve him.

If that guy shows up, we'll have a competitive team.  If not, we'll have a new coach next year and probably picking in the top 5.

Darnold has trouble when his line doesn't give him time to throw. So we traded for him and gave him a line that doesn't give him time to throw.  

[davos]

@Verge

Any guess what type of grade teams have on Howell & Ridder? Could either one realistically go ahead of the consensus top-3/are there any teams really into them? I just find where they end up absolute wildcards and after, it may be quite some time before another QB is selected (Zappe, Glass, Coan, Strong, etc.).

Jermaine Johnson II is one of the quieter presumed high up picks--what's the deal with him?

Any fave LB for us? Muma or Tindall? Wyoming's LBs have been producing majorly and would love Muma.

And ditto on Sauce.  Aiden, Sauce, & G. Wilson are my fave players this draft. 

[Catsfan69]

1 hour ago, NJPanthers89 said:

How does getting Baker continue to dig that hole?  He’s only going to be signed for this year and is going to cost next to nothing in draft compensation.  If he sucks he’s gone at the end of the year and we will be in a position to draft a QB again, and if he’s good we’ll then we can pay him accordingly or franchise him.  The guy actually has talent, something Darnold wishes he had.  I’m very in on giving Baker a chance, the odds of him hitting are better then any of this drafts QBs imho.  Take the OT at 6…

Worst case we get Jimmy G who is a more than competent stop gap for a year or two, could be our Alex Smith till we find our long term answer.  Jimmy G can probably take this team to the playoffs in a weak NFC.

Because he is going to win enough games to hurt our draft. I have zero confidence in a Baker Mayfield led Superbowl Championship.

 

Sam either gets it or gets us a top 5 pick he's win win.

Baker is lose lose.

[Panthers Rhule]

All of this seems perfectly logical to me. Not sure if they would pick Cross at 6 if no trade was possible. I prefer Pickett at QB but Corral would fit as well although I really worry about his sustainability considering his size and playing style. He gives me the RG3 vibe and I don't mean that as a knock on either one's ability as they are talented, but injuries are a legitimate concern when evaluating players. 

[Panthers Rhule]

And as far as the Baker/JimmyG debate, I'd prefer JimmyG. He's a professional and he's proven that he can at least take a good team to the playoffs. He's a great placeholder imo. Baker is a wildcard and I don't like the way he carries himself. He may have talent but who knows what you're going to get both on and off the field and in the locker room. I'll take a less talented, professional adult. 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Panthers Rhule

[unicar15]

16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't see him in the roster, even if he's outright cut. We didn't learn anything from the Teddy debacle. You can't openly poo all over a guy while he's still on your roster.

TB was different. He’s a proven vet. Everyone basically thinks Darnold is terrible. 

[Reebis21]

3 hours ago, Verge said:

U continue to be my favorite poster haha…don’t u ever change on us!