big Saints / Eagles trade

[hsfolk]

I disagree, NO is better off getting two impact players in the first round 

[MasterAwesome]

On 4/4/2022 at 5:44 PM, Growl said:

the Reality and the Facts are that a divisional rival appears to be out maneuvering the panthers for “another Sam darnold” (like lol why do I really doubt that you have some kind of meaningful on field comparison to make between the two)

Lol what?  The reality and facts are that the Saints traded for an extra mid first round pick this year.  Everything else is weird premature speculation on your part.

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't know what the Saints are up to. No one really does. It's all speculation. Maybe they have another move planned. Maybe they just REALLY like the top 20 talent in this draft and want to assure themselves two of them. Who knows?

[CPcavedweller]

On 4/4/2022 at 4:07 PM, Growl said:

Saints looking to move up the board and jump the panthers for QB

WE DON'T NEED A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THIS DRAFT, FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE LISTEN.

Malik Willis was quite literally the WORST QB UNDER PRESSURE IN CFB LAST YEAR. I'd take Howell, Pickett, Bailey Zappe, and Grayson McCall over him next year. I'd give Sam Darnold a god damn Patrick Mahomes contract before drafting Willis. 

Now don't get me wrong, I don't like Pickett or Howell in the 1st either. Give me Bailey Zappe in the 4th or Grayson McCall in the 1st in 2023. 

[shaqattaq]

On 4/4/2022 at 4:25 PM, Waldo said:

Saints really devaluing next years picks for this year with a 1st year HC. 

 

This was my first thought. New coach wants to build HIS team immediately. Willing to bet that the elevated cap space will allow him to play more in free agency next year.

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

WE DON'T NEED A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THIS DRAFT, FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE LISTEN.

Malik Willis was quite literally the WORST QB UNDER PRESSURE IN CFB LAST YEAR. I'd take Howell, Pickett, Bailey Zappe, and Grayson McCall over him next year. I'd give Sam Darnold a god damn Patrick Mahomes contract before drafting Willis. 

Now don't get me wrong, I don't like Pickett or Howell in the 1st either. Give me Bailey Zappe in the 4th or Grayson McCall in the 1st in 2023. 

You seem very rational about this…

[Growl]

12 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

WE DON'T NEED A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THIS DRAFT, FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE LISTEN.

Malik Willis was quite literally the WORST QB UNDER PRESSURE IN CFB LAST YEAR. I'd take Howell, Pickett, Bailey Zappe, and Grayson McCall over him next year. I'd give Sam Darnold a god damn Patrick Mahomes contract before drafting Willis. 

Now don't get me wrong, I don't like Pickett or Howell in the 1st either. Give me Bailey Zappe in the 4th or Grayson McCall in the 1st in 2023. 

hey buddy you finally manage to recover from that beatdown the tiger king gave your titans

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

1, 2 and 3? You need to know when they are. Not only are they future picks, the 2nd is in 2024. Also, the 3rd is 101, a comp pick right before the 4th.

16 is a decent pick and by giving the Saints two firsts, you take a big risk of them doing well so that the 1st next year is in the 20s as is the 2nd two years from now.

You are overrating future picks and that 3rd since it’s a comp pick. NO hasn’t had a top 10 pick in a while and if they hit in a QB and WR like suggested those future picks aren’t as valuable as the one you gave up. It’s still risky in my book.

I actually agree with you that based on old school charts the Saints didn't give up as much as people think.  Usually future picks are valued a round later, so next years first would be like a 2nd this year, would you trade a 1st this year for a 2nd and 3rd this year?  Nope

but here is what I'm thinking Philly thought, lets cancel out the trdes like this.

 

Going from 16 to 18 and receiving a 3rd isn't bad, close to the charts.

So basically they are trading #19 for a 1st next year and a 2nd the following year.  Based on traditionally charts that isn't much in return but Philly is basically gambling that the 1st next year will be better than #19, in a class that on paper might have more QBs therefore they could get lucky and get a valuable pick.  Even if they don't want a QB, maybe its a pick they can flip again next year for a team that wants a QB.  

Teams devalue future picks because everyone is trying to win now but in reality if they end up with #10 next year, that is better than #19 this year if the team is thinking long term.  Of course this is all a gamble because they end up with pick #25,

Also the fact that Philly had 3 1st round picks before this trade is probably playing into it.  Maybe from a cap perspective this not only spreads out 1st round contracts, but also future extensions.

Its definitely a gamble, but with Brady coming back to Tampa Bay and if you expect the saints to draft a QB its not crazy to think that the 1st from the Saints next year could be a pretty high pick.

[bythenbrs]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Everything else is weird premature speculation...

Women really hate that...

[Basbear]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

1, 2 and 3? You need to know when they are. Not only are they future picks, the 2nd is in 2024. Also, the 3rd is 101, a comp pick right before the 4th.

16 is a decent pick and by giving the Saints two firsts, you take a big risk of them doing well so that the 1st next year is in the 20s as is the 2nd two years from now.

You are overrating future picks and that 3rd since it’s a comp pick. NO hasn’t had a top 10 pick in a while and if they hit in a QB and WR like suggested those future picks aren’t as valuable as the one you gave up. It’s still risky in my book.

I take 1,2,3 for 16 everytime. I know the unwritten rule is a future pick is worth one round less than a now pick. Doesnt work with 1st, and frankly that saints pick has a better chance at being much better than 16 next year. It is a comp 3rd, still a great pick and better than 4-7.  Again simply the trade is for 1st for 1st, and iggles get a future 2nd and comp 3rd. Even the value number is off the on trade charts. Iggles had 3 ones and that allowed this trade. 

You could get about ANY player in the league for a 1,2,3 even if two are in the 23-24. This is Everette Brown Smarty Marty Herniay bad and it can be waaaaaaay worse if the saints finish with a 4-13 record.... If the saints needed _____ that should have offered that same package and got a proven player. I do see the short term vs long term deal, but this draft doesnt have 16 elite players, I dont even think it has one. Its a high risk trade with terrible odds.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Basbear

[Basbear]

On 4/4/2022 at 6:38 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Ultimately, I think he goes to the Steelers at #20.

 

On 4/4/2022 at 6:43 PM, Basbear said:

I think theres a decent chance thats hes still staring at his phones until day 3, agains his draft spot is the hardest for me to pinpoint. I do think Pitt will past on him with their 1st, but if hes still there form their 2nd......

 

 

 

On 4/4/2022 at 6:44 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll bet you anything you want to bet that Howell is drafted prior to day three of the draft.

My god, @LinvilleGorge you truly are thee Matt Rhule of QB evaluators.....homers glasses made you lose the whole home and property!!

Edited April 30, 2022 by Basbear