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How dangerous is Willis as a runner? What makes him special?

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22 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Let’s keep in mind that there’s a HUGE difference between teams Liberty played and teams in the NFL. 

It's really no different than the caliber teams tre lance and carson wentz(both ND state)played for and against. Josh allen as well... let's not forget Liberty with Willis did beat Virginia Tech 

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3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

It's really no different than the caliber teams tre lance and carson wentz(both ND state)played for and against. Josh allen as well... let's not forget Liberty with Willis did beat Virginia Tech 

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Carson Wentz isn't the best example IMO... one outlier season in the NFL. Josh Allen is physically very similar to Cam Newton and he was a multi year developmental prospect....

 

I don't doubt Willis can be good with proper tutelage... that said I don't think for a second we have said tutelage.

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1 minute ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Carson Wentz isn't the best example IMO... one outlier season in the NFL. Josh Allen is physically very similar to Cam Newton and he was a multi year developmental prospect....

 

I don't doubt Willis can be good with proper tutelage... that said I don't think for a second we have said tutelage.

Wentz isn't a bad passer he is just bad at staying healthy. But whatever the case he has been given multiple starting jobs and has become a decent passer( mvp caliber) despite coming from a small school. My point is if you got the traits to be a good qb they will translate to the NFL.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I agree about investing in the line no matter what kind of QB you get, but we've spent a pretty good amount of resources this offseason on doing exactly that.

I'd add that while I'm not that big a fan of rankings, a guy performing significantly worse from a clean pocket concerns me way more than a guy being worse when harassed.

While the Panthers added some hopefully decent linemen in free agency, they have ignored the most important part of the offensive line, left tackle. The Panthers haven't drafted a tackle in the first round since Jeff Otah in 2008. That's insane.

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18 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Of course it's secondary. A quarterbacks first job Is to distribute the football. I know people think you can throw your way out of every situation but just like how you can't run out of every situation you can't throw out if every situation either. That's why it's a prefer bonus. Teams are taking notice. Mobility really isn't just optional anymore and it's reflected by the quarterbacks coming out.

Yet, the QBs who keep winning championships lead a team in the playoffs to game winning drives with their arms.

Mahomes ran for over 100 yards in the playoffs in his SB run. Now, try to find another QB to do the same in their championship playoff run.

The QBs who can win with their arm win championships. Good defenses destroy the running QB in the playoffs. I don't care about winning games against the worst teams in the NFL with the occasional upset because a QB can run. A consistent winner passes from the pocket and will audible to the run or screen since they can read/set up a defense. Mobility will always be optional and your QB should not run more than 6 times a game. If the team needs a QB to run more than 5 times a game to bail them out of these situations, then your team has more serious issues and is not ready for a championship. Does a QB need to run if you don't have a championship team?

When a QB only needs to run 3 times or less out of 60+ plays in a game, does having a running QB really matter? Give me a QB with athletic instincts that shows up 90% of the time inside the pocket. I don't care about how fast he runs the 40 or how dangerous they can be on a 50 yard run. A QB with athletic instincts in the pocket will be able to intelligently choose those 3 times they need to run in the game - even if they run a 4.9 40.

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14 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Yet, the QBs who keep winning championships lead a team in the playoffs to game winning drives with their arms.

Mahomes ran for over 100 yards in the playoffs in his SB run. Now, try to find another QB to do the same in their championship playoff run.

The QBs who can win with their arm win championships. Good defenses destroy the running QB in the playoffs. I don't care about winning games against the worst teams in the NFL with the occasional upset because a QB can run. A consistent winner passes from the pocket and will audible to the run or screen since they can read/set up a defense. Mobility will always be optional and your QB should not run more than 6 times a game. If the team needs a QB to run more than 5 times a game to bail them out of these situations, then your team has more serious issues and is not ready for a championship. Does a QB need to run if you don't have a championship team?

When a QB only needs to run 3 times or less out of 60+ plays in a game, does having a running QB really matter? Give me a QB with athletic instincts that shows up 90% of the time inside the pocket. I don't care about how fast he runs the 40 or how dangerous they can be on a 50 yard run. A QB with athletic instincts in the pocket will be able to intelligently choose those 3 times they need to run in the game - even if they run a 4.9 40.

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34 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Yet, the QBs who keep winning championships lead a team in the playoffs to game winning drives with their arms.

Mahomes ran for over 100 yards in the playoffs in his SB run. Now, try to find another QB to do the same in their championship playoff run.

The QBs who can win with their arm win championships. Good defenses destroy the running QB in the playoffs. I don't care about winning games against the worst teams in the NFL with the occasional upset because a QB can run. A consistent winner passes from the pocket and will audible to the run or screen since they can read/set up a defense. Mobility will always be optional and your QB should not run more than 6 times a game. If the team needs a QB to run more than 5 times a game to bail them out of these situations, then your team has more serious issues and is not ready for a championship. Does a QB need to run if you don't have a championship team?

When a QB only needs to run 3 times or less out of 60+ plays in a game, does having a running QB really matter? Give me a QB with athletic instincts that shows up 90% of the time inside the pocket. I don't care about how fast he runs the 40 or how dangerous they can be on a 50 yard run. A QB with athletic instincts in the pocket will be able to intelligently choose those 3 times they need to run in the game - even if they run a 4.9 40.

Look bro. To you and every other boomer who don't seem to get it. I AM IN NO WAY SAYING PASSING ISNT THE DEFINING TRAIT FOR A QB. What I am saying is mobility is becoming less of a oh its nice and more of a standard issue thing. Look at the starting quarterbacks in the league and tell me how many 4.9+ guys are still around.

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I don't care what Tom Brady does or Mahomes(who is mobile by the way)... those 2 guys are once in a lifetime type talents. You not going to get that. So until the next one comes your stuck picking whatever it is that the college ranks are producing. Right now it just jsnt pocket passers.

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4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

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This is what I love about malik. Mcshay says he immediately would be one of the top 3 runners in the league and in terms of arm strength top 6. The rest you have to coach up and that's some amazing tools to work with. He's not Lamar jackson but he isn't that far off...

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10 hours ago, NYPantherFan said:

Before everyone jumped on the Willis Wagon, one if the earlier comps I saw was the speed of Hurts with the quickness and power of Steve McNair. I see those McNair comps surfacing again now.

I think the running style was wad the comp to hurts. Not the speed. Hurts ran about 4.6. I think we all believe Willis is faster than that. The comp was more based on a smaller guy with physical running style.

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