PJ Walker vs Malik Willis

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Neal Perts said:

Banned?  Ive never been here before.   I don’t mind Willis. If they draft him then I’ll support the guy. Personal preference is a guy that throws from the pocket. 

I'm guessing you don't realize the moderators can tell who you are, do you?

That's how you keep getting banned.

[Neal Perts]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm guessing you don't realize the moderators can tell who you are, do you?

That's how you keep getting banned.

What are you talking about?  Ive never signed in here in my life. Can’t come here to discuss NC teams?  What did I say?

[Neal Perts]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm guessing you don't realize the moderators can tell who you are, do you?

That's how you keep getting banned.

Dude you got the wrong person here. I have no clue what is going on.  Have I said something bad?

[micnificent28]

37 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I will define it for you. A player who is incapable of winning at a high level from the pocket is a running QB.

Mike Vick is a perfect example. 

Patrick Mahomes is not a running QB because he has the ability to win solely from the pocket. So does Allen, Russ, Rodgers, Burrow.

 

Again a running QB is someone who beats you equally or more with his legs than arm.

It sounds like you are separating the "running qbs who are successful" from the ones who aren't. For the Vick matter, Vick had one of the most magical runs to the playoffs history. That defeat of the vikings was legendary. His what... was it 2010 with the eagles demonstrated what he was capable of with 20 passing touchdowns 13 ints and 9 more touchdowns on the ground. 

The jail sentence squandered his golden years...but anyways I would take out burrow and add Hurbert to that category. I'm amazed at how you guys view mobile qbs when your home team had arugablythe greatest dual threat qb of all time and showed the potential with one of the best season from the qb position with no weapons in 2015. 

We were able to manufacture offense out nothing pretty much and the only reason you didn't get a championship is the front office inability to sign a decent LT and RT.

Edited March 31, 2022 by micnificent28

[Catsfan69]

37 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

It sounds like you are separating the "running qbs who are successful" from the ones who aren't. For the Vick matter, Vick had one of the most magical runs to the playoffs history. That defeat of the vikings was legendary. His what... was it 2010 with the eagles demonstrated what he was capable of with 20 passing touchdowns 13 ints and 9 more touchdowns on the ground. 

The jail sentence squandered his golden years...but anyways I would take out burrow and add Hurbert to that category. I'm amazed at how you guys view mobile qbs when your home team had arugablythe greatest dual threat qb of all time and showed the potential with one of the best season from the qb position with no weapons in 2015. 

We were able to manufacture offense out nothing pretty much and the only reason you didn't get a championship is the front office inability to sign a decent LT and RT.

How do you still not understand the difference between a running QB and a QB who can run?

The running QB runs because he has to in order to win.

The second one doesn't. 

 

Mike Vick sucked as a passer. He fng sucked. I've literally had a NFL QB guru tell me Vick couldn't throw it in the ocean from the beach.

I don't get why you get so enamored with some of these guys.

[Catsfan69]

42 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

It sounds like you are separating the "running qbs who are successful" from the ones who aren't. For the Vick matter, Vick had one of the most magical runs to the playoffs history. That defeat of the vikings was legendary. His what... was it 2010 with the eagles demonstrated what he was capable of with 20 passing touchdowns 13 ints and 9 more touchdowns on the ground. 

The jail sentence squandered his golden years...but anyways I would take out burrow and add Hurbert to that category. I'm amazed at how you guys view mobile qbs when your home team had arugablythe greatest dual threat qb of all time and showed the potential with one of the best season from the qb position with no weapons in 2015. 

We were able to manufacture offense out nothing pretty much and the only reason you didn't get a championship is the front office inability to sign a decent LT and RT.

Of Cam could have thrown the ball better we would have won more games. He was an average passer and distributor of the football.

 

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

Of Cam could have thrown the ball better we would have won more games. He was an average passer and distributor of the football.

 

Dude we went 15-1 what are you talking about just let it go..

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

How do you still not understand the difference between a running QB and a QB who can run?

The running QB runs because he has to in order to win.

The second one doesn't. 

 

Mike Vick sucked as a passer. He fng sucked. I've literally had a NFL QB guru tell me Vick couldn't throw it in the ocean from the beach.

I don't get why you get so enamored with some of these guys.

You are a fool then. Vick might be the most dynamic weapon the league has ever seen. Just because something didn't work doesn't mean it couldn't. The league the way the game was played isn't the way it is now. Vick was successful in moderation he won't more than half his games and had good seasons and pro bowl seasons. Stop with the bias.

Edited April 1, 2022 by micnificent28

[micnificent28]

What gets me is the idea that these old school cats think that EVERY pocket passer is Tom Brady Brady can throw the football and wins games. Your saying all of them are more talented than Micheal vick and wins yous more games get out of here.. for the Few micheal vicks there are 1000 more failed pocket passers. 

Jeff George, Todd Marinovich, heath Shuler, Joey Harrington,Ryan leaf, Tim couch,cade Mccown,, Patrick Ramsey, J.P lawman, Brady Quinn. That's just a few recent first rounders.  You can't say every pocket passer is better than every mobile qb just because that's what the history was before they allowed mobile qbs to play the position.

If 90%of the NFL history was pocket passers guess who's going to win the most super bowls... same goes for race whatever... you can say only 3-4 black qbs won a super bowl but guess when black qbs became a thing in terms of the NFL history???  Maybe mostly the 90s?  And maybe 5 them then.

[Catsfan69]

20 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Dude we went 15-1 what are you talking about just let it go..

Cam Newton was a massive underachiever.

 

He should have made Tom Brady look like Jimmy Clausen. He had more physical talent than we may have ever seen. 

But it was wasted. He couldn't throw the ball. He absolutely should have been the best of all time. 

 

[Catsfan69]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

What gets me is the idea that these old school cats think that EVERY pocket passer is Tom Brady Brady can throw the football and wins games. Your saying all of them are more talented than Micheal vick and wins yous more games get out of here.. for the Few micheal vicks there are 1000 more failed pocket passers. 

Jeff George, Todd Marinovich, heath Shuler, Joey Harrington,Ryan leaf, Tim couch,cade Mccown,, Patrick Ramsey, J.P lawman, Brady Quinn. That's just a few recent first rounders.  You can't say every pocket passer is better than every mobile qb just because that's what the history was before they allowed mobile qbs to play the position.

If 90%of the NFL history was pocket passers guess who's going to win the most super bowls... same goes for race whatever... you can say only 3-4 black qbs won a super bowl but guess when black qbs became a thing in terms of the NFL history???  Maybe mostly the 90s?  And maybe 5 them then.

They have allowed mobile QBs since the dawn of time.

 

What gets me is young punks who think they invented everything including how to bang women.

GTFOH the measure of a QB will always be their arm. Always because a ball can move faster than their legs. 

[micnificent28]

6 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Cam Newton was a massive underachiever.

 

He should have made Tom Brady look like Jimmy Clausen. He had more physical talent than we may have ever seen. 

But it was wasted. He couldn't throw the ball. He absolutely should have been the best of all time. 

 

I just gave you a list of massive under achievers... your picking the needle in the haystack to define your argument. Brady was a 6th round pick all the pocket passers with the God given talent I just made a list of failed.. if cam under achieved most first round pocket passing qbs under achieved.

Running qbs have always been around plz.. not to the extent the ways things are ran today. The league tried to make guys who could run into something else or force them to play like a pocket passer. What we are seeing today is a evolution of the offensive system that is maximizing those gifts instead of putting them in a box and saying play like Dan marino.. 

yes the measure of a quarterback will always be his ability to make throws but that doesn't mean having more options isn't better. Give me a guy who can make the throws and escape over a if it isn't there I'm screwd qb any day. The league knows it college knows it and that's why you don't see as many pocket passers.

[Catsfan69]

Just now, micnificent28 said:

I just gave you a list of massive under achievers... your picking the needle in the haystack to define your argument. Brady was a 6th round pick all the pocket passers with the God given talent I just made a list of failed.. if cam under achieved most first round pocket passing qbs under achieved.

Running qbs have always been around plz.. not to the extent the ways things are ran today. The league tried to make guys who could run into something else or force them to play like a pocket passer. What we are seeing today is a evolution of the offensive system that is maximizing those gifts instead of putting them in a box and saying play like Dan marino.. 

yes the measure of a quarterback will always be his ability to make throws but that doesn't mean having more options isn't better. Give me a guy who can make the throws and escape over a if it isn't there I'm screwd qb any day. The league knows it college knows it and that's why you don't see as many pocket passers.

Get off of it. Russell Wilson is so much better than Cam Newton it's not even close. Mahomes is better. Rodgers Rivers Big Ben Stafford Watson Burrow Breese both Mannings  all better than Cam.

I wish we had dradted Russell Wilson. We would have won the Superbowl. 

[Eazy-E]

There have been a good number of QBs drafted this century from small schools who played against weak competition who ended up being incredibly good QBs. A few of them are even Super Bowl winners. So sorry that’s a poor argument.

A lot of times players are drafted based off of potential not what or who they played against in college. I mean look at what San Fran gave up to draft Trey Lance ffs. 
 

But hey if that stuff matters to you you can be like the Bears or Browns and draft yourself a Mitch Trubisky or Baker Mayfield over guys like Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen because they played better talent and put up better numbers in college than the other guys. I’m guessing the 49ers should have taken Mac Jones instead of Trey Lance as well, right?

Sorry OP but this is such a bad / stupid take. You’re clearly wrong and it’s not even a matter of opinion.