Kenny Pickett Pro Day today

[Smittymoose]

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Oh more dumbass comments that bring nothing to the conversation? Who would have thought.

Show me how Dalton is athletic as Pickett, ill wait. 

You dont outscore a guy by 5 on the RAS on a whim or technicality, this isnt a PFF grade. 

I stand by my point. Just a bunch of nerds jizzing over something not quantifiable being boiled down to a stat. It means nothing. 

Dalton's worst rushing year in college was equivalent to Pickett's best rushing year. They both exhibited the same type of escapability: neither very good at stepping up through pressure, but both like to leak out to the side and have the mobility to make a team either pay a little bit or the accuracy on the move to make a throw. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

He still struggles with ball security though. 38 fumbles in 52 games is horrendous and that’s with a smaller football.

Do his hands play a factor in that, who knows… but you would think the more surface area that you can cover on the ball and the more grip you have on the ball would help with security.

How many last season?

[trueblade]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Crazy---but it seems to happen every year, so we shall see.  I ask this question:  What is the difference between Pickett/Willis and Howell?   It is possible that you could trade back, grab an edge rusher and get a QB in the first round.  People like Pickett because Pitt came together as an offense in 2021, and Pickett had a good year.  Put Pickett under center at UNC in 2021, and does he do better than Howell?  Howell had a good 2020, so we definitely see the impact of good supporting cast.  I dunno.  I just think that Howell + a player in the draft is a better option than Pickett at #6.  I am really torn.

I mean I'd do this trade all day every day:

[AU-panther]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Ridder played fewer games and had 36 fumbles.  His hand size is 10".  Burrow has 9" hands and fumbled once in over 500 snaps.

Source:  https://sportsnaut.com/pitt-qb-kenny-picketts-small-hands-could-make-waves-with-scouts/

 

Small hand guy fumbles a lot it's because he has small hands.  Big hand guy fumbles a lot its just because he fumbles a lot.

Why the NFL combine built a myth around QB hand size, a measurement that doesn't mean anything (espn.com)

Kenny Pickett might fumble a lot in the NFL but his small hands won't be the predictor of that, his past history will.

 

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

So Pickett just has ball security issues in general… not great.

I am sure the hands play a part in it--so does the OL, the play calling etc.  But the 38 fumbles over 4 years is a concern.

[PootieNunu]

5 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

I stand by my point. Just a bunch of nerds jizzing over something not quantifiable being boiled down to a stat. It means nothing. 

Dalton's worst rushing year in college was equivalent to Pickett's best rushing year. They both exhibited the same type of escapability: neither very good at stepping up through pressure, but both like to leak out to the side and have the mobility to make a team either pay a little bit or the accuracy on the move to make a throw. 

You are talking about film, I am talking about raw physical tools, separate the 2.

I dont want Pickett at 6, I am not advocating for that.

However he is the superior athlete.

Cam ranked a 10 on the RAS, a perfect score, but he is not the best QB to ever play. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by PootieNunu

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

While they aren't huge on their own, it's just an overall testament to athletics. If someone has consistently better scores across all drills, it makes it a pretty easy conclusion they are a better overall athlete 

Thanks for the recap.  I acknowledged the reasoning for the metric, I just think jumping ability isn't very applicable to the success of a NFL QB.  A good athletic QB does not necessarily mean a successful NFL QB.  I mean, what were Tom Brady's numbers?  Pretty putrid I would assume.

This is how I would label the top 5 traits of a successful NFL QB.

1) Cerebral

2) Accurate

3) Film junky

4) Arm strength

5) Overall athletic ability

Edited March 21, 2022 by 45catfan

[MillionDollarCam]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many last season?

Not sure on that, just saw someone mention that he had 38 fumbles in 52 career games.

[KSpan]

13 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

It is absolutely an asset to have a competent game manager at QB taking up 3% of your cap space instead of 15%. 

Why? You aren't winning anything with a QB like that, and guys like Trubisky, Minshew, Winston, etc don't cost 15% of the cap. Also, the 6th pick contract is worth 30 of so million so it's more than 3%. The gap is not as large as you make it out to be.

[PootieNunu]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Thanks for the recap.  I acknowledged the reasoning for the metric, I just think it's very applicable to the success of a NFL QB.  A good athletic QB does not necessarily mean a successful NFL QB.  I mean, what were Tom Brady's numbers?  Pretty putrid I would assume.

This is how I would label the top 5 traits of a successful NFL QB.

1) Cerebral

2) Accuracy

3) Film junky

4) Arm strength

5) Overall athletic ability

Anyone saying a good RAS means a great or even good NFL QB does not know what they are talking about. The RAS only shows raw measurables, they still have to put those tools to use in a game. 

This only shows what their body is capable of doing or not doing. 

You do see brady had good size and good 3 cone, so he can see in the pocket and make slight quick movements to evade rushers, which is what he has done his entire career. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by PootieNunu

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Not sure on that, just saw someone mention that he had 38 fumbles in 52 career games.

From what I've seen, it was only three or four last season.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, Chad_Cota said:

If he impresses on his Pro Day, maybe he will not be there at 6? 

Fingers crossed!

[TheRumGone]

The best long term pick would be malik imo

the best short term pick would be Pickett 

which is why I think we pick Pickett unless rhule is completely boxed out on draft day and Scott has been given assurances he’s here long term.

If you started Malik day 1 you’d have to plan your offense around backyard football style in the passing game and have a very strong run game with a good defense. Closest comp I could see is RW rookie year in Seattle with beast mode. That would be the goal for this upcoming year. He’s just gonna need time to grow in the pocket. If we actually did pick Malik and he was named starter you’d have to beat into his head to not turn the ball over and on crucial downs use your special traits. 
 

pickett would open things up more for us day 1 passing wise but long term I think this dudes ceiling is a fringe starter. 

[carpanfan96]

12 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

You just explained the NFL version of Andy Dalton, my man. Thanks for validating. I have no clue if anyone has compared him to Dalton, maybe they have, maybe they haven't. It's what I see. I watched a good deal of Pitt this year. He's very Dalton-ish. Maybe you don't remember that Andy Dalton was a top 20-ish QB, I don't know. But you've absolutely described him. 

Most that I've seen are comparing him to Derek Carr