DE Brown bears weight of Panthers draft gamble

[Brooklyn Bully]

Any fool with half a brain knows you don't evaluate Brown's value until he has been in the league for a fews years. Look at Vince Young for example, and our own Thomas Davis. Everyone is in such a hurry to pile on the criticism and whine and bitch they don't evaluate the situation with any kind of objective sense. Brown has been pretty effective in his limited time and will only get better.

The whining and complaining is reaching epic proportions.

Just put us all on ignore, like I'm about to do to you.

[AKPantherFan]

funny.... didnt vince want to quit on his team 2 years ago and commit suicide?

[Fiz]

lol we traded a 2010 first for a 4th string undersized project DE from a gimmick ACC defense god i love the Panthers

[SCP]

Cheap organsation? Lets ignore the fact for years before this we had and paid numerous first round picks.

They paid for two first round picks last year. How is that cheap?

Exactly.

[Urrymonster]

The Panthers had little choice in giving up a 1st rounder. The Broncos set the value by trading their future first to the Seahawks for Alphonso Smith merely 5 picks before the Panthers. As we were 5 picks later we got a fourth rounder in return. Makes sense to me.

Face facts. They loved Brown. They wanted him but thought they could not get him, so when he actually did drop, they pulled the trigger. The value was already set though through the trade before them. They considered Brown a first round talent and thus went for him.

Do not blame Hurney for the value, blame the Broncos for giving the 49ers negotiating amunition.

[Gman was right]

Um, here is a thought! Dont draft Brown if you cant get him!!!! Yes, it is Hurneys fault that they gave up so much for so little. No one put a gun to his head and told him he had to make that trade. What do you mean dont blame Hurney or that they had little choice? Of coarse its his fault. The 49ers and broncos had nothing to do with that decision. 49ers made out like bandits in this trade.

[King Taharqa]

funny.... didnt vince want to quit on his team 2 years ago and commit suicide?

When interviewed about that this past summer Vince said it was a lie and that the media overblew what happened. Either way it was used to rationalize benching a QB after 1 half of play in the 1st game of the year. The Titan's pulled a "Peete" on Vince.

[Urrymonster]

Um, here is a thought! Dont draft Brown if you cant get him!!!! Yes, it is Hurneys fault that they gave up so much for so little. No one put a gun to his head and told him he had to make that trade. What do you mean dont blame Hurney or that they had little choice? Of coarse its his fault. The 49ers and broncos had nothing to do with that decision. 49ers made out like bandits in this trade.

No, no not what I meant. I meant that the value any trade at that point was already determined.

Blame him for wanting Brown, that's fine.

What I meant was that if a trade were to happen, then the value was set, we were not getting Brown for anything less than we gave up.

[carolinarolls]

Wow..Brilliant insight Mike Cranston! This article should have posted the day after rookie orientation in my mind but way to go out on a limb here in late November. Better late than never. Right?!?

...and the reason for bitching (STILL) about the woes of the off season are absolutely lost on me. It's a bit too late to profess as a wise old sage at this point folks. I think we have all heard enough about how bad of a botch-job the FO did this past summer.

[Gman was right]

No, no not what I meant. I meant that the value any trade at that point was already determined.

Blame him for wanting Brown, that's fine.

What I meant was that if a trade were to happen, then the value was set, we were not getting Brown for anything less than we gave up.

I understand what you're saying. You're usually gonna have to give up a lot to move up that high. We are debating wether brown was worth what we gave up for him though which clearly he wasnt

[carolinarolls]

way too early to tell on Brown. There is a thread on here almost weekly about a player we drafted that did not pan out here but is doing just fine and even flourishing somewhere else.

DE's VERY rarely come in and dominate and Brown should be given the benefit of the doubt. Is he worth a first round pick? Considering that first round pick was likely to be somewhere in the late 20's by everyone's early guess I say it's not that bad. The fact is that we have not done well with what we have this year and have been hindered even further by critical injuries.

I blame the staff for a lot but I won't hang them for this. They went for broke with a seemingly great team in place already and were motivated by their own well-being and a need to insulate themselves from a botched effort in handling Pep.

If Brown went a few spots later to the Broncos, Fins or even dirtee byrdz and flourished in a small fast system some here would be saying we should have gotten him and should have taken such a risk based on what we already had gearing up for camp at the time.

[Urrymonster]

I am never too bothered using a first round pick on a high character, high motor guy.

Worst case scenario we get a player who gives his all, all the time and is a great locker room guy. Brown is all these things. When you see some of the high talent high risk players booming or busting I am always happy with the safer pick. That is how true franchises are built.

[Gman was right]

We dont need players who simply just give it their all. Im sure there are plenty of players that were busts that gave it their all but couldnt produce. We need players that actually produce for them to be worthy of the pick. Sorry but thats just the reality of things. Right now Brown is not producing much. Im sure he's a great guy in the locker room but thats not what we drafted him for.

[panthers55]

crolls is right here. Brown is the type of player who flourishes in a system like Meeks runs and has a good chance to be an impact player in the league. So far playing in 9 games he is second among rookie DEs with 13 tackles. He has 2 FFs and one sack. The most any rookie DE has is 2. Anyone who follows the success of linemen in the NFL in their rookie year knows that few if any of them come in and make an impact right away. Folks who think he is wasted pick needed to remember that one of our problems with guys with Hayes and Brown is that we didn't wait for them to mature and develop. Look at Charles Johnson for example. He is just now coming into his own in his third year. Players need time to work on their strength and their hand and foot work. Brown will be a much better player in a year or two. Fortunately we have the time to let him develop because Hurney was smart enough to draft him before we had to have him produce immediately.