DE Brown bears weight of Panthers draft gamble

[AceMan]

Peppers situation is up in the air next year. We very well could be without him. We needed a DE to help fill the void for next year. Hell be a starter.

This would be smart if we wasn't in "win-now" mode and planned on keeping Peppers this season.

[MrT]

Any fool with half a brain knows you don't evaluate Brown's value until he has been in the league for a fews years. Look at Vince Young for example, and our own Thomas Davis. Everyone is in such a hurry to pile on the criticism and whine and bitch they don't evaluate the situation with any kind of objective sense. Brown has been pretty effective in his limited time and will only get better.

The whining and complaining is reaching epic proportions.

[MaineManPanther]

This would be smart if we wasn't in "win-now" mode and planned on keeping Peppers this season.

Win now doesnt mean one season do or die. I mean was 08 not a win now?

What 09 pick in the late first round would've made a huge differnce in helping us win now this season?

[MaineManPanther]

True story. 2 years in a row the Panthers front office has dumped its 1st round picks. Thats the sign of a cheap organization that doesnt want to pay top dollar to a player it has to develop. I wouldnt be shocked if they traded this year's 1st rounder too. So much money on this team is tied up into 3-4 players, would it really surprise people if the front office is happy not to have any 1st round picks?

Cheap organsation? Lets ignore the fact for years before this we had and paid numerous first round picks.

They paid for two first round picks last year. How is that cheap?

[Kevin Greene]

Any fool with half a brain knows you don't evaluate Brown's value until he has been in the league for a fews years. Look at Vince Young for example, and our own Thomas Davis. Everyone is in such a hurry to pile on the criticism and whine and bitch they don't evaluate the situation with any kind of objective sense. Brown has been pretty effective in his limited time and will only get better.

The whining and complaining is reaching epic proportions.

Yes, let's give Hurney a pass for continually trading next years first round picks because someday, Brown might be good.

The fact is had Hurney not made this trade, this season would essentially be identical to what it is, plus we'd have a top 15 pick in this years draft. Instead of 43rd pick "potential".

With no Peppers next year we'll have 20 million dollars in freed up cap space to sign 2 or 3 top free agents, one a defensive end. And then select a Franchise Quarterback with what would have been our #1 because as far as I can tell, Everett Brown can't play quarterback.

[AceMan]

Win now doesnt mean one season do or die. I mean was 08 not a win now?

What 09 pick in the late first round would've made a huge differnce in helping us win now this season?

Win now means your mortgaging away your future to get quality players now. The Panthers did that in 08 AND 09. If we kept our 1st in 08, we could have grabbed E.Brown in 09 and kept our 1st rounder in 2010. The fact is Stewart and Otah both worked out well so Fox/Hurney felt comfortable mortgaging away our future again in order to grab players now and win now.

I still think it was stupid to move up in the 2nd round by throwing away our 1st next year. In pure hindsight, it's a horrible move now that it will more than likely be a top 15 pick and we're in need. I'm not saying E.Brown was a bad pick, I'm saying what we gave up was bad.

[MaineManPanther]

Win now means your mortgaging away your future to get quality players now. The Panthers did that in 08 AND 09. If we kept our 1st in 08, we could have grabbed E.Brown in 09 and kept our 1st rounder in 2010. The fact is Stewart and Otah both worked out well so Fox/Hurney felt comfortable mortgaging away our future again in order to grab players now and win now.

I still think it was stupid to move up in the 2nd round by throwing away our 1st next year. In pure hindsight, it's a horrible move now that it will more than likely be a top 15 pick and we're in need. I'm not saying E.Brown was a bad pick, I'm saying what we gave up was bad.

If we kept our first in 08 we wouldnt have gotten Otah. Basicaly we gave up a first round pick for Brown. It wasnt like at the time we knew we were getting a possible top 15 pick.

[scpanther22]

He was drafted for insurance considring the Peppers situation. I don't believe thye planned on him being good now.

I dont think so..Hurney has said many times the brown deal had nothing to do with peppers.They made the deal to improve pass rush.

[scpanther22]

True story. 2 years in a row the Panthers front office has dumped its 1st round picks. Thats the sign of a cheap organization that doesnt want to pay top dollar to a player it has to develop. I wouldnt be shocked if they traded this year's 1st rounder too. So much money on this team is tied up into 3-4 players, would it really surprise people if the front office is happy not to have any 1st round picks?

I would not call this organization cheap at all..Matter of fact the panthers are known to overpay just to keep there own guys.

[Vagrant]

Fox and Hurney figured that if they kept their 2010 1st rounder and failed to produce a .500 season, they would be fired. They figured if they traded their 2010 1st rounder and failed to produce a .500 season, they would be fired.

If somehow, they could trade their 2010 1st rounder for a player that they identified as a guy that could help them win games in case Peppers didn't report or just as a back up plan... then that was the route to go.

That's why you can't have a GM on the hot seat. You either have to fire him the first time you consider it or you have to promise him a secure future. With Big Cat neither endorsing or demoting Fox and Hurney, they were left in the wind thinking that this year was for all the marbles.... a critical mistake when you're dealing with some very important assets for the future and present alike.

You think Fox and Hurney give a flying damn if Peppers is gone after this year if they are gone too? Welcome to the farewell tour.

[AKPantherFan]

I dont think so..Hurney has said many times the brown deal had nothing to do with peppers.They made the deal to improve pass rush.

LMAO-- Hey -- I have some beach front property to sell for .50 an acre if your interested

[Snake]

Win now means your mortgaging away your future to get quality players now. The Panthers did that in 08 AND 09. If we kept our 1st in 08, we could have grabbed E.Brown in 09 and kept our 1st rounder in 2010. The fact is Stewart and Otah both worked out well so Fox/Hurney felt comfortable mortgaging away our future again in order to grab players now and win now.

I still think it was stupid to move up in the 2nd round by throwing away our 1st next year. In pure hindsight, it's a horrible move now that it will more than likely be a top 15 pick and we're in need. I'm not saying E.Brown was a bad pick, I'm saying what we gave up was bad.

:iagree: Best post so far.

[Snake]

LMAO-- Hey -- I have some beach front property to sell for .50 an acre if your interested

Better yet I have some swamp land in SC for .20 and acre.

[Kevin Greene]

Fox and Hurney figured that if they kept their 2010 1st rounder and failed to produce a .500 season, they would be fired. They figured if they traded their 2010 1st rounder and failed to produce a .500 season, they would be fired.

If somehow, they could trade their 2010 1st rounder for a player that they identified as a guy that could help them win games in case Peppers didn't report or just as a back up plan... then that was the route to go.

That's why you can't have a GM on the hot seat. You either have to fire him the first time you consider it or you have to promise him a secure future. With Big Cat neither endorsing or demoting Fox and Hurney, they were left in the wind thinking that this year was for all the marbles.... a critical mistake when you're dealing with some very important assets for the future and present alike.

You think Fox and Hurney give a flying damn if Peppers is gone after this year if they are gone too? Welcome to the farewell tour.

Well said, the day of the draft Julius Peppers was still 3 months away from finally signing his FT contract and laughing all the way to the bank since at that point, it was play in Carolina or stay home.

Hurney so botched this offseason and Peppers that Brown was a desperation move to grab a Defensive End because at that time Hurney's head was so far up his ass he had no clue who would play DE for the Panthers in 2009.