Maybe I was wrong about KENNY PICKETT after reading these evaluations.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Doesn't change  the risk factor was greatly diminished by where he was drafted..

That doesn't work when you draft that type of QB high..

And your idea of Out playing his draft status  is always being questioned if he is a franchise QB that can carry a team, no playoff success,  and being considered the least talented QB in that division...

He hasn’t had much to work with. See Matt Stafford… 

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He hasn’t had much to work with. See Matt Stafford… 

Which is why you draft that type of QB later.. He can't make up for your teams defiance..

[ForJimmy]

Just now, WOW!! said:

Which is why you draft that type of QB later.. He can't make up for your teams defiance..

Stafford was the number one pick. You have to build a team around QBs. The Raiders haven’t been the best ran team kind of like the Lions…

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Which is why you draft that type of QB later.. He can't make up for your teams defiance..

https://twsn.net/2021/05/derek-carr-is-the-most-underrated-qb-in-the-nfl/amp
 

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Stafford was the number one pick. You have to build a team around QBs. The Raiders haven’t been the best ran team kind of like the Lions…

Stafford had the resume and talent to be a number 1 pick.. Pickett Nor Carr do.. And Yes Stafford didn't win which is another reason you shouldn't pick a sub par talent QB high because even the good ones need help.. it's just The Sub Par ones need alot  more of it..

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

https://twsn.net/2021/05/derek-carr-is-the-most-underrated-qb-in-the-nfl/amp
 

Post opinion pieces isn't changing the fact he has no playoff success and his talent only warranted a 2nd round pick... 

If we get Pickett in the 2nd round  cool. That means we got a for sure talent in the 1st and he was drafted to his talent and resume level..

[ForJimmy]

Just now, WOW!! said:

Stafford had the resume and talent to be a number 1 pick.. Pickett Nor Carr do.. And Yes Stafford didn't win which is another reason you shouldn't pick a sub par talent QB high because even the good ones need help.. it's just The Sub Par ones need alot  more of it..

Stafford had the resume and talent to be number one yet STILL couldn’t win without talent around him. That’s my point. You need talent around your QB to win in the playoffs. Stafford got talent and look what happened. 

[WOW!!]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Stafford had the resume and talent to be number one yet STILL couldn’t win without talent around him. That’s my point. You need talent around your QB to win in the playoffs. Stafford got talent and look what happened. 

Your point still doesn't justify wasting a high pick on a player with less talent, a lesser resume and more red flags!!

So just because every QB needs help (different amounts due to talent) we should draft a lesser talented one??

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Post opinion pieces isn't changing the fact he has no playoff success and his talent only warranted a 2nd round pick... 

If we get Pickett in the 2nd round  cool. That means we got a for sure talent in the 1st and he was drafted to his talent and resume level..

It explains how good he had actually been for a lackluster team. If we get that kind of play out if our QB then it’s absolutely worth a 1st. Like I’ve been saying is 6 overdrafting him? Yes. QBs have and will continue to get overdrafted in this league and rightfully so. It’s the most important position by a long shot.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Your point still doesn't justify wasting a high pick on a player with less talent, a lesser resume and more red flags!!

So just because every QB needs help (different amounts due to talent) we should draft a lesser talented one??

I’m saying you can’t discredit all of Derek Carr’s stats/data because he hasn’t won in the playoffs with a bad team. A QB who people justified as the top in his class couldn’t either so it’s not really a knock on him. 

[WOW!!]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It explains how good he had actually been for a lackluster team. If we get that kind of play out if our QB then it’s absolutely worth a 1st. Like I’ve been saying is 6 overdrafting him? Yes. QBs have and will continue to get overdrafted in this league and rightfully so. It’s the most important position by a long shot.

Cool I'm glad he has been so good that the actual team is always rumored to be in trade talks or looking at other QB's... Just like now when he is being talked about going to the Colts.. Its been that way almost every year for him.. So I'm glad this writer thinks so highly of Carr I wished his team did..

Still I wouldn't draft Derrick Carr in the top 10 either.. Because he is what he is a QB who needs a lot help to be successful...

Edited March 14, 2022 by WOW!!

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m saying you can’t discredit all of Derek Carr’s stats/data because he hasn’t won in the playoffs with a bad team. A QB who people justified as the top in his class couldn’t either so it’s not really a knock on him. 

We do the same to Tony Romo and Dak.. 

But again he was drafted in the 2nd round meaning his talent and resume at the time was seen that way.. 

When it doesn't go that way you over draft and put to much responsibilities (because where they were drafted) on players like Joey Harrington, Blain Gabbert and Locker and Christan Ponder...

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Cool I'm glad he has been so good that the actual team is always rumored to be in trade talks or looking at other QB's... Just like now when he is being talked about going to the Colts.. Its been that way almost every year for him.. So I'm glad this writer thinks so highly of Carr I wished his team did..

It’s not just that one writer.

Colin Cowherd

https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/derek-carr-baker-mayfield-underrated/amp/

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2021/9/14/22673588/derek-carr-underrated-raiders-nfl-monday-night-football

-This one shows him on par with Brady and Ryan from the previous 3 years (when it was written 2021). With less talent around him. 

Yeah it shows you how dysfunctional his team is. Maybe they will do him a favor and trade him to a talent team like the Lions did with Stafford. 

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s not just that one writer.

Colin Cowherd

https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/derek-carr-baker-mayfield-underrated/amp/

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2021/9/14/22673588/derek-carr-underrated-raiders-nfl-monday-night-football

-This one shows him on par with Brady and Ryan from the previous 3 years (when it was written 2021). With less talent around him. 

Yeah it shows you how dysfunctional his team is. Maybe they will do him a favor and trade him to a talent team like the Lions did with Stafford. 

Post as many opinion pieces you want..

Facts are he was a 2nd round pick because his talent and resume deemed it that way..

I wouldn't have drafted him top 10 then and I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick for him now.  

And I feel even worse about Pickett who I don't think can carry Carr's Jock...