Maybe I was wrong about KENNY PICKETT after reading these evaluations.

[WOW!!]

17 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Hmm, how are they doing right now? That what, 3 in 5 or 6 years? Not a lot now is it considering how many QBs have been drafted. But thanks for proving my point. 

It doesn't matter!!!

1 is a mvp, 1 before massage gate was a top 5 QB and 1 is considered a generational talent that team tanked for..

Pickett isn't even considered a top 10 pick by most scouts..

Difference situation no matter how many Mics you drop in some fake victory..

Edited March 12, 2022 by WOW!!

[Panthers Rhule]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Cam won a national championship at Blinn College are we just going to neglect that happened now??

 

YOu're right. I forgot about that National title at Blinn College. YOu got me there dude. You win. 

[BlitzMonster]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, let the Falcons draft poor man's Matt Ryan. Very poor man's. Matt Ryan almost singlehandedly made BC relevant during his college days. That team sucked but he carried them.

I get a lot of Matt Ryan vibe with Pickett.  Everybody said Matty Ice was a one year wonder from Boston College with a noodle arm who might not be effective in the NFL.  Well the guy went to a domed stadium and lit it up for his whole career.  ROY, Pro Bowls, NFL MVP.  Ryan was a smart, hard working guy that had a just good enough arm strength to make it work.

Lots of guys are doubting Pickett and he very well could be a solid NFL QB as well.  His football intelligence and coolness under pressure at the Combine have really impressed me recently.  

Sadly I don't think the Panthers would be the ideal place for him to develop.  Our team has so many holes, a bad OL and an unstable coaching staff.  Just the recipe for failure.  

[Panthers Rhule]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

WTF are you talking about with Brady? Brady was the full season starter for Michigan in 1998 and 1999. Are you trying to insinuate that the backup stats Henson meant Brady wasn’t the full season starter?

You're right. Brady did start every game those seasons. I just googled it myself as I couldn't remember Brady's college career correctly. Good job. 

[WOW!!]

21 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Yes, not a 4 year starter. You do realize that's worse, right? Couldn't win the job for most of their time. 

Seriously how is it worse to be given ample opportunities and not be good then to not be given opportunities and be good the only chance you got??

Nice Gif response.. When not being able to come up with actual points against a different opinion..

[WOW!!]

7 minutes ago, stbugs said:

WTF are you talking about with Brady? Brady was the full season starter for Michigan in 1998 and 1999. Are you trying to insinuate that the backup stats Henson meant Brady wasn’t the full season starter?

He couldn't beat out Griease..

[Panthers Rhule]

18 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Seriously how is it worse to be given ample opportunities and not be good then to not be given opportunities and be good the only chance you got??

Nice Gif response.. When not being able to come up with actual points against a different opinion..

 

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Panthers Rhule said:

In what other year would a QB with over 4,500 total yards, 47 total tds, and only 7 int be considered a 2nd round QB??? That makes zero sense to me and to suggest that Willis, who only did half of that at Liberty and not in the ACC, is somehow the better choice is just beyond ridiculous for me. You guys really need to explain how you could justify that opinion to me or anyone else. Pickett should be considered a top 10 QB in any draft over the last 5 years. 

 

Look at Bailey Zappe's stats.

Seriously, plenty of dumpster fire NFL QB's had video game stats in college. College fans need to stop equating college success with NFL success. It is not a 1:1 comparison.

Similarly, Josh Allen had stats in college that would indicate he shouldn't be a success in the NFL.

[WOW!!]

@Panthers Rhule argument is essentially 

"He might be Joe Burrows"

A player with no elite talent no consistent history of success  but did have a all time great season in the hardest college conference in the country.. And stayed that type of player so far in the league..

Problems are..

Joe and Kenny weren't 1 for 1 in the same  situation.. 1 was giving ample opportunities to have more then 1 blow up season...1 wasn't .. 

2. The Joe Burrows isn't a tried and true method of getting a franchise QB.. It doesn't normally happen that a QB comes out of nowhere (and no elite QB traits)  has 1 great season in college and stay that same player in the pro's.. The historical method is drafting a QB with years of consistent success or drafting a player with elite skill sets..

[WOW!!]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Look at Bailey Zappe's stats.

Seriously, plenty of dumpster fire NFL QB's had video game stats in college. College fans need to stop equating college success with NFL success. It is not a 1:1 comparison.

Similarly, Josh Allen had stats in college that would indicate he shouldn't be a success in the NFL.

Look at Kilf Kingberry... There is a history of teams being fooled by video game numbers..

[kungfoodude]

40 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Look at Kilf Kingberry... There is a history of teams being fooled by video game numbers..

90% of teams are not fooled by that. You judge a player by his tape, not his stats.

If you are putting up video game stats and making pro throws and reads, that is a lot different than lobbing ducks to wide open WR's in a gimmick, one read offense.

[WOW!!]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

90% of teams are not fooled by that. You judge a player by his tape, not his stats.

If you are putting up video game stats and making pro throws and reads, that is a lot different than lobbing ducks to wide open WR's in a gimmick, one read offense.

Just being Honest if you just look at 2021 -2022 tape Kenny is Kurt Cousin solid..

It's when you look at the other 4 years you say oweeee!@

[KatsAzz]

5 hours ago, Immaculate said:

You’re on the money. With Rhule being a lame duck coach this season, he’ll probably play Darnold, PJ and Willis in the same game. 

Exactly.  I am concerned that Rhule will draft  Pickett and make him the starting day QB,hoping it will save his sinking ship. I could be wrong but i cannot help feeling that Willis, given time, will be the best  long term QB to come out of the 2022 NFL Draft.    

Edited March 12, 2022 by KatsAzz

[Panthers Rhule]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

@Panthers Rhule argument is essentially 

"He might be Joe Burrows"

A player with no elite talent no consistent history of success  but did have a all time great season in the hardest college conference in the country.. And stayed that type of player so far in the league..

Problems are..

Joe and Kenny weren't 1 for 1 in the same  situation.. 1 was giving ample opportunities to have more then 1 blow up season...1 wasn't .. 

2. The Joe Burrows isn't a tried and true method of getting a franchise QB.. It doesn't normally happen that a QB comes out of nowhere (and no elite QB traits)  has 1 great season in college and stay that same player in the pro's.. The historical method is drafting a QB with years of consistent success or drafting a player with elite skill sets..

Okay, this is different and cool. I agree with you here. It is rare for a one year wonder to come out of nowhere and play like Burrow has. Something in Burrow either clicked or people were ignoring what was right there the whole time. I have no idea which it is. 

Most don't start 4 years so even doing that is a bit different. Starting 4 years and having success all 4 years rarely happens. You get drafted before that. I'm just saying that to my knowledge there is no metric in past drafts to support the idea that only one good year is an issue when speaking about QBs who've started 4 years at a high level. These past seasons, one good year has been enough to be a top 10 draft pick in each and every draft. 

Why is this one different? The original post showed comments about Justin Herbert who had a similar situation and was not highly hyped. I added Burrow just to show people how good that season actually was. If you have a big problem with a player just finding his groove then that's fine but it's a boring argument that doesn't permit further discussion. It's already been discussed in great detail. In he end there's nothing that can be said, debated or analyzed any further. It all comes down to whether you consider that important or not. You do. I don't. So, I'm moving on as I like talking about things like evaluating skills, debating talent, or analyzing stats. 

Let me pull an Em, Yes, Kenny is 23 and he was a 4 year starter. He found his step in his Senior season and dominated his ACC competition to take all the major Offensive Awards. His season ranks up there with the best of the young QB drafted in the last 5 years. But it was just 1 season after having 3 mediocre seasons. For some this is a shame that he can never be shaken. For others it's a petty excuse to hate on someone that doesn't fit the physical qualifications or the media adoration. To each their own. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Panthers Rhule