If we draft a QB, I want Carson Strong

[BlitzMonster]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Where were these fast, athletic QBs in the Super Bowl? Just learning you can’t succeed in the NFL without one…

Reading defenses and good decision making is what makes a great QB.  The running around stuff, arm like a cannon, etc are just a bonus.   

If you can't do the first part, you won't be a successful NFL QB (and definitely won't take your team to the Super Bowl).  

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

Reading defenses and good decision making is what makes a great QB.  The running around stuff, arm like a cannon, etc are just a bonus.   

If you can't do the first part, you won't be a successful NFL QB (and definitely won't take your team to the Super Bowl).  

Pretty much.

People fall in love with exciting plays and highlight reels. And while those are fun, accurate passing and consistency in making reads are the traits that win the most ballgames.

If the first thing you're looking for in a quarterback is mobility or athleticism, you're doing it wrong.

[rippadonn]

25 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

Reading defenses and good decision making is what makes a great QB.  The running around stuff, arm like a cannon, etc are just a bonus.   

If you can't do the first part, you won't be a successful NFL QB (and definitely won't take your team to the Super Bowl).  

Carson is showing that he has the mental aspects necessary to be great in the NFL. The more I look into the kid the more I like him.

That arm IS a huge bonus that makes him worthy of being the first QB picked, along with youth.

[CPantherKing]

Carson Strong sunk like a rock in the Senior Bowl.

Worst of the six QBs there. Zappe looked better.

Slow adapting, unathletic, and weak command of an offense. I'd rather have Darnold.

That Fresno State breakdown is a joke. Watch the whole game and watch how Strong struggles. When he needs to be clutch he folds.

Carson Strong back to pass. Three man rush gets to Strong. Balls out! Strong sulks on the field with his head down with 2 minutes to go. His receivers better be able to jump for his passes. They tend not to be in the receivers area code. He demonstrated that in the Senior Bowl too. Trouble reading defenses and forces balls into double and triple coverage.

Think a cross between Jay Cutler and Kerry Collins. You really want that at QB? Great arms. Nothing much for winning a game or being clutch. He can hang his head with the best of them.

Mountain West coaches figured out Strong and punished him. NFL coaches will not be worried about facing Strong.

If Strong is the QB, get comfortable with hearing "nearly intercepted".

Edited February 18, 2022 by CPantherKing

[rippadonn]

Romeo Doubs and Cole Turner need to be looked at too.

[ForJimmy]

I’m down for either one of the 3 LTs falling to us or trading down and drafting a QB. 

[XClown1986]

Carson Strong = Mike Glennon

[grimesgoat]

He's been my target from the start IF we trade back and can get him in the second.  That way he will be able to sit for at least half of the season and get up to speed.  

Wouldn't take him at 6.

[BlitzMonster]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

People fall in love with exciting plays and highlight reels. And while those are fun, accurate passing and consistency in making reads are the traits that win the most ballgames.

If the first thing you're looking for in a quarterback is mobility or athleticism, you're doing it wrong.

The draft process for QB's is so poor.  It's all shorts and t-shirts where the athletic, big armed guys shine.  JaMarcus Russell looked like a god at his pro day (and we all know how that turned out).

It's boring but having QB's dissect white board formations with coaches asking questions would be far more instructive on who's going to make it as an NFL QB and who won't.   But that's not nearly as fun as watching some kid throw a 50 yard frozen rope while the crowd ooo's and ahhh's.  

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, rippadonn said:

For all our failed gambles, this guy would be the ultimate moderate risk high reward prospect even at 6. 

He already reading and checking on his own. The IQ is there. He leads that offense he's changing plays and taking advantage. He has NFL height(6'4") weight, arm strength. Ops last video the guy proclaims Strong has the best deep ball in this class. I agree. It's effortless for him.

This team has done a lot of stupid stuff. Taking Strong, a potential prototype franchise QB who checks all the boxes at a young age as a JUNIOR wouldn't be the dumbest thing. That rookie contract could be gold on that guy.

Oh great, another QB evaluation based on height and weight. How is Kyle Trask doing, BTW?

[rippadonn]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh great, another QB evaluation based on height and weight. How is Kyle Trask doing, BTW?

Early 2nd round on the BUCS. Keep betting on those 5'11" QBs. It's a big boy position. Prototypes exist for a reason.

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

The draft process for QB's is so poor.  It's all shorts and t-shirts where the athletic, big armed guys shine.  JaMarcus Russell looked like a god at his pro day (and we all know how that turned out).

It's boring but having QB's dissect white board formations with coaches asking questions would be far more instructive on who's going to make it as an NFL QB and who won't.   But that's not nearly as fun as watching some kid throw a 50 yard frozen rope while the crowd ooo's and ahhh's.  

IDK, Russle looked like a kid with a great arm, very bad brain and a body showing signs of lack of care in the offseason. Outside of the mainstream media and rabid college fans, where politics / money / loyalty come before quality, he wasn't a great prospect at the professional level and had a ton of flags. 

I agree that the process is broke where the fringe guys get too much hype, I still think it heavily relies on workouts and interviews. From what I have heard about that, it's also why it's a flawed process. I can't believe that there is no team that I know of that uses any consultants during the interview process. Like there are firms out there that help hire people and qualify the potential hires. Just crazy to me. That's how we ended up with coaches asking about sexual preferences in weird improved situations. 

I still think arm strength matters. I wish there was a clear and firm line in that evaluation but I also think the difference in the balls plays apart of this failure. 

[ImaginaryKev]

Both QBs in the SB were former number one overall picks who could escape the pocket under pressure, esp Joe Burrow, while Stafford has elite arm strength, let's not pretend certain physical traits don't help a smart QB succeed. 

Also, Carson Strong has medical red flags.

[Thompcat]

I feel that Rhule is going to draft a Qb this year no matter what. I wish he wouldn't but what else is new with him  So with that I'm interested in knowing which one of these Qbs in the draft is the workhorse in the film room, can read a defense,  and go through his progessions. I know none are close to a finished product because it's not a frontrunner. I want a smart guy.