Bruh.

[Ivan The Awesome]

 

lol wtf man. 

[Jesse]

Let's not forget the QBs were:

• Brady (HOF)
• Drew Brees (HOF)
• Aaron Rodgers (HOF)
• Mannings (HOF)
• Mahomes (HOF projectory)

That's really the majority of these winners and elite play at the QB position is what it takes in order to be Super Bowl contenders.

 

[pantherj]

We're at the point in the NFL where you can look at the roster and tell who is going to make the playoffs and have a shot at the SB. Just look at the QBs. Simple. Our QB is Sam Darnold btw.

RBs are not that important, and neither are LBs for the that matter. The Panthers are stuck in the past trying to build a defense out of 1st and second round picks. They're all over the damn field and they don't matter. You have a great QB or you don't.

Edited February 15, 2022 by pantherj

[Ivan The Awesome]

Just now, Jesse said:

Let's not forget the QBs were:

• Brady (HOF)
• Drew Brees (HOF)
• Aaron Rodgers (HOF)
• Mannings (HOF)
• Mahomes (HOF projectory)

That's really the majority of these winners and elite play at the QB position is what it takes in order to be Super Bowl contenders.

 

You know the funny thing about that. People will swear up and down that you can win the SB by having a Defense or Game manager and bring up Trent dilfer and Flacco, etc. But the examples they use are so far and between that if you use the same argument but instead on the RB, that means the QB was a Franchise QB. SO yeah it's a given that you won't need a over paid RB like say a CMC or others to win a SB. 

[Wes21]

I fully agree with the point but the salary for Percy Harvin is misleading.  Its like saying C-Mac only made $990k if we would have won the Super Bowl in 2021.  Harvin's contract with the Seahawks was very similar to C-Mac contract.

Buildiing on the point, I have noticed something else in terms of resource allocation.  Not a single one of those guys on the list was drafted in the 1st round by the team they won the Super Bowl with.  The Super Bowl team paid less to acquire the player via the draft, free agency or trade.

[PantherMan89]

Saw this earlier and believe it was pointed out that some of these teams still had more expensive RB on the roster (Marshawn Lynch, Sea) but that they weren’t the leading rusher in the SB itself. Marshawn was obviously still a big part of getting them there and his contract was a good bit higher than those listed in this graphic (saw it was in the $9M range). 
 

While I still agree it’s not smart to put a ton into the position, I do think the graphic is a tad misleading. Also, I didn’t research other players that would have been left out for this same reason but there certainly could be others. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by PantherMan89

[pantherj]

Outliers like Dilfer and Flacco don't mean you try to reproduce their team blueprints. Why would any team build up the defense and try to win with a game manager when that rarely ever works, at least look at the last 20 seasons. Rhule isn't aiming for a SB team, he's aiming for a middle of the pack team that has great talent on defense and a game manager on offense. That can get you to 8-9ish. 

We need a HC who is focused on building a SB winning team.

Edited February 15, 2022 by pantherj

[PantherMan89]

12 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

I fully agree with the point but the salary for Percy Harvin is misleading.  Its like saying C-Mac only made $990k if we would have won the Super Bowl in 2021.  Harvin's contract with the Seahawks was very similar to C-Mac contract.

Buildiing on the point, I have noticed something else in terms of resource allocation.  Not a single one of those guys on the list was drafted in the 1st round by the team they won the Super Bowl with.  The Super Bowl team paid less to acquire the player via the draft, free agency or trade.

Sony Michel was a 1st rounder (barely but still 1st round) for the Patriots who he won the SB with

Edited February 15, 2022 by PantherMan89

[Wes21]

12 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Outliers like Dilfer and Flacco don't mean you try to reproduce their team blueprints. Why would any team build up the defense and try to win with a game manager when that rarely ever works, at least look at the last 20 seasons. Rhule isn't aiming for a SB team, he's aiming for a middle of the pack team that has great talent on defense and a game manager on offense. That can get you to 8-9ish. 

We need a HC who is focused on building a SB winning team.

Here's a little more fuel for your fire.  Joe Flacco wasn't a game manager when they won the Super Bowl.  He had one of the best postseason runs in history.  When they were showing graphics of how he played, they had to bring up Joe Montana for comparison purposes.  Flacco is tied for the most touchdowns thrown in a single postseason run, and he did it without throwing a single interception.  He had to survive a shootout with Peyton Manning, and another shootout in the Super Bowl where he tossed 3 more TDs.

Only once has Tom Brady had to go thru 4 games to win a Super Bowl, and that was his 2020 Bucs title run.  Brady came up short of Flacco's numbers from that 2012 Super Bowl run.

[Wes21]

44 minutes ago, PantherMan89 said:

Saw this earlier and believe it was pointed out that some of these teams still had more expensive RB on the roster (Marshawn Lynch, Sea) but that they weren’t the leading rusher in the SB itself. Marshawn was obviously still a big part of getting them there and his contract was a good bit higher than those listed in this graphic (saw it was in the $9M range). 
 

While I still agree it’s not smart to put a ton into the position, I do think the graphic is a tad misleading. Also, I didn’t research other players that would have been left out for this same reason but there certainly could be others. 

I did a little digging for the backs that are being hidden in the graphic due to how it was created.

2009 Saints - Reggie Bush

2010 Packers - Ryan Grant was injured, but I'm seeing a 4 year $30M contract

2011 Giants - Brandon Jacobs had a 4 year $25M contract at one point

2012 Ravens - Nobody

2013 Seahawks - Marshawn Lynch

2014 Patriots - Nobody

2015 Broncos - Nobody

2016 Patriots - Nobody

2017 Eagles - Darren Sproles

2018 Patriots - James White

2019 Chiefs - LeSean McCoy

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, Jesse said:

Let's not forget the QBs were:

• Brady (HOF)
• Drew Brees (HOF)
• Aaron Rodgers (HOF)
• Mannings (HOF)
• Mahomes (HOF projectory)

That's really the majority of these winners and elite play at the QB position is what it takes in order to be Super Bowl contenders.

 

 

Never really thought of Eli as elite.  He was good, but the SB wins were mostly due to great defense.  

Ironically, Joe Flacco and Aaron Rodgers have the same number of SB rings.

[firefox1234]

53 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Here's a little more fuel for your fire.  Joe Flacco wasn't a game manager when they won the Super Bowl.  He had one of the best postseason runs in history.  When they were showing graphics of how he played, they had to bring up Joe Montana for comparison purposes.  Flacco is tied for the most touchdowns thrown in a single postseason run, and he did it without throwing a single interception.  He had to survive a shootout with Peyton Manning, and another shootout in the Super Bowl where he tossed 3 more TDs.

Only once has Tom Brady had to go thru 4 games to win a Super Bowl, and that was his 2020 Bucs title run.  Brady came up short of Flacco's numbers from that 2012 Super Bowl run.

That post season Flacco was insane. 1100 yds, 11 TDs, and no picks and all in 4 games. Elite numbers even though he went back to his mean for most of his career.

[Wes21]

3 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

That post season Flacco was insane. 1100 yds, 11 TDs, and no picks and all in 4 games. Elite numbers even though he went back to his mean for most of his career.

The Ravens were known for their defense, but the D had some issues that postseason.  It was Flacco and the offense that stepped up.  Its kind of a funny thing to think about.  Its the opposite of Peyton Manning.  Peyton was a great QB who did alot of incredible things.  But his 2 Super Bowl rings came in postseason runs that he didn't play like Peyton Manning.  For his first ring, he only threw 3 TD passes in 4 games compared to 7 interceptions.  For the second ring it was 2 TD passes in 3 games, including a 56 QB rating in the Super Bowl.

[SizzleBuzz]

1 hour ago, Wes21 said:

Here's a little more fuel for your fire.  Joe Flacco wasn't a game manager when they won the Super Bowl.  He had one of the best postseason runs in history.  When they were showing graphics of how he played, they had to bring up Joe Montana for comparison purposes.  Flacco is tied for the most touchdowns thrown in a single postseason run, and he did it without throwing a single interception.  He had to survive a shootout with Peyton Manning, and another shootout in the Super Bowl where he tossed 3 more TDs.

Only once has Tom Brady had to go thru 4 games to win a Super Bowl, and that was his 2020 Bucs title run.  Brady came up short of Flacco's numbers from that 2012 Super Bowl run.