How far would the Stafford led Panthers have gone?

[Growl]

1 minute ago, firefox1234 said:

Do we have the guys who can do that job? So far this has yet to be seen and evidence currently points to no.

As a matter of fact this team has a number of individuals who are well regarded as personnel evaluators. All the same it wouldn’t alter the reality of opportunity cost that drives the draft either way.

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

Do we have the guys who can do that job? So far this has yet to be seen and evidence currently points to no.

Supposedly Fitterer is one if narratives here are to be believed. I guess all we have left is the hope they have learned from the Darnold debacle. Still cannot fathom how anyone thought it was a slam dunk to trade for Sam while believing his game film was not a significant determining factor. Of course this whole line of thinking is obliterated when you consider our decision makers made a new PJ Walker contract our first priority of the new season.

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

No different than Charlotte.

No, we have, or at least used to have when we had somewhat competent coaching, have an occasional playoff run. 

I think that era is over. Rivera brought it (eventually) and Rhule is doing his damn best to keep that era around. 

[KatsAzz]

Stafford was with Derroit  12 seasons, only played in and lost three playoff games with the Lions.

I would be surprised if Stafford who is not mobile, playing behind the Panthers rag tag OL and the inept coaching staff, could have elevated them enough to make the playoffs

[firefox1234]

8 minutes ago, Growl said:

As a matter of fact this team has a number of individuals who are well regarded as personnel evaluators. All the same it wouldn’t alter the reality of opportunity cost that drives the draft either way.

But do those evaluators have a significant voice or any voice? If yes then they haven’t made a good case for themselves these past couple years and if no then the guy who has the decision making powers is not someone you can trust.
 

Just to clarify I agree that if a team doesn’t have a franchise QB then they need to get one, especially in the draft. Even if the guy Rhule and co. picks will get Josh Rosen’d it still makes sense to still trying to get a QB.

[Sgt Schultz]

31 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Ah, so we need to draft a punt returner and teach him how to play QB?

It might be worth a try.  Draft the fastest player available, regardless of position, and tell him he is now our QB even if he has never taken a single snap under center at any level, even screwing around after practice.

It is either that or try the wild idea of improving our OL.

Nah, now I am getting silly.  The fastest guy in the draft it is.

[TheProcess]

36 minutes ago, frankw said:

How many other Super Bowls have you seen where the winning team on their final drive gets that many favorable flags in the span of less than 2 minutes? We got some blind mice here.

Agreed, but those blind mice bought Bengal colored glasses. 

3rd down, yes that first holding call on the LB was a bad call, should have been 4th down.

Next play you had the dual penalty with holding on the Rams and the personal foul on the Bengals. Not arguing either call, but if there were an argument it would be the holding against the Rams. Exact same block by both teams all day with no calls. Either way, offsetting penalties, replay the down, and let's say its still 4th down if the first call above wasn't made.

Next play that was 100% pass interference on Eli Apple, and there is no question about it. So, 4th down or 1st down from the first call, the Apple play is still Pass Interference and 1st down on the 1 yard line. Same situation we had anyway. 

Now let's talk about the 75 yard TD to Higgins, terrible missed call on Higgins. He not only pulled Ramsey's face mask, he also shoved Ramsey out of the play. Clearly offensive pass interference and face mask with a no call. Take that away and the Rams win with or without that last TD.

Bad no call on Higgins didn't give the Rams any chance as it was a TD on that play.

Bad call against the Bengals moved the ball half the distance, but the Bengals still had chances to make a stop unlike the Rams. Bell shouldn't have committed the personal foul, thats the Bengal players fault, could have moved the ball back 10 yards on the Rams holding. Nobody made Apple commit an obvious pass interference to put the ball at the 1 yard line. Yet still the Bengals had an opportunity to make a stand at the 1 yard line, an opportunity the Rams didn't have on the long TD

[TheProcess]

Panthers ceiling with Stafford is probably first round exit. Not sure we hit that ceiling though.

We should be saying that he may have saved Rhule's job, but well.....

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, Growl said:

Probably pretty far. The Rams have had that roster together for a while and it’s all been for naught. It was a franchise QB that finally made it all worth it.

They were a good team before trading for Stafford.  We are not a good team.

 

[Carl Spackler]

43 minutes ago, rayzor said:

No, we have, or at least used to have when we had somewhat competent coaching, have an occasional playoff run. 

I think that era is over. Rivera brought it (eventually) and Rhule is doing his damn best to keep that era around. 

That's true, there was a golden era for a bit there. Long gone now. Bring on more Ls.

[SnowPanther]

Pretty much where Detroit ended up virtually every year with him. 6-7 wins other than a few anomaly's. He's not a franchise altering quarterback. That Rams team is stacked. They went to the Super Bowl with Goff a few years ago.

People give Stafford way too much credit. He's made multiple bonehead plays every game this playoffs. He's lucky the team around him has managed to bail him out.

Edited February 14, 2022 by SnowPanther

[Mike in Raleigh]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Burrow couldn't overcome his terrible offensive line.

Does that mean he's not a franchise QB?

They were a couple of good OLine men away from running away with that game. It's a miracle that it was that close. Burrow is the real deal.

[GoobyPls]

We are closer the lions than the rams, he would probably be picking 15 with Stafford

[onmyown]

It would look similar to the Lions just as getting Watson would look similar to 2020.

Wheb you don’t have a supporting cast or coaching, it just does not work. That is why the Bengals are so impressive and the underdog, exceptions verify the rule. But that’s in a general SB contender sense, the Panthers aren’t even close to underdog status.