Albert Breer on 2022 QB Class

[GoobyPls]

This is the definition of recency bias. Mac Jones by many sources was considered a second round QB last year with a very limited ceiling now all of a sudden he’s better than everyone in this class. Matt Corral played Jones in 2020 and even the announcers where pointing out the difference in QB play, Corral was head and shoulders above Mac.

 

Go look up what they said about the 2017 Class

https://www.nfl.com/news/2017-nfl-draft-trubisky-leads-qb-class-lacking-elite-talent-0ap3000000799332

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

You pointed out nothing. Here, let me try to help the discussion on why I think your assumption is wrong….

I don’t think Wilson has a stronger arm than Howell. 
 

I don’t think Lance is more accurate than Howell. 
 

While his running style isn’t aesthetically pleasing, he proved to be a more effective runner than both.

 

Hes built to withstand a beating which pairs well with our Oline. 
 

So what exactly does he lack physically compared to those two? Straight line speed? Height?

Both Wilson and Lance have stronger arms than Howell(Lance not as much as Wilson). Lance is a better athlete than Howell(a very good athlete in his own right at the college level).  Lance has high intangibles, all you have to do is dig into his background and that sticks out immediately. Especially with Lance the football IQ is exceptional and his work ethic is exceptional. When you look across the board, Wilson was just better at everything than Howell(deep ball accuracy, off platform throws, etc).

The only genuine advantage Howell probably has are college reps. He is the far more experienced college player. Howell also is coming from a largely one read offense, so he seems to be lacking in seeing the field well. That's not entirely his fault but it does brings questions about his ability to see the field(something Malik Willis is atrocious at). Howell has a nice deep ball but had issues in college with accuracy and traditionally that is a trait that doesn't get better in the NFL(two of three seasons with sub-63% completion percentage). 

[Panthera onca]

37 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I said the very same thing last year. No reason we weren’t the option for Trubisky. We were set up perfect to bring him in and still are. Others disagreed, but I’d sign him right now for 4-5 years at 4-5 mil per year. Worst case, we have a tremendous upgrade at backup QB. Best case, we’re in the playoffs and he’s already proven he can win. 

So you want the Panthers to corner the market on JAG QBs who played at UNC. Take off the baby blue glasses.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

This is the definition of recency bias. Mac Jones by many sources was considered a second round QB last year with a very limited ceiling now all of a sudden he’s better than everyone in this class. Matt Corral played Jones in 2020 and even the announcers where pointing out the difference in QB play, Corral was head and shoulders above Mac.

 

Go look up what they said about the 2017 Class

https://www.nfl.com/news/2017-nfl-draft-trubisky-leads-qb-class-lacking-elite-talent-0ap3000000799332

 

I was not a Jones fan at all. Still am not, really. Keep in mind that he won a game this year passing the ball 3 times and had a total of two 300+ yard passing games. People are rushing to thinking Jones is good. I remember seeing people jerk off all over Matt Cassell, Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett who played well in New England too. All basically backups or average starters.

I don't believe that we will be thinking much of Mac Jones in 4-5 seasons.

Edited February 7, 2022 by kungfoodude

[BlitzMonster]

13 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

This is the definition of recency bias. Mac Jones by many sources was considered a second round QB last year with a very limited ceiling now all of a sudden he’s better than everyone in this class. Matt Corral played Jones in 2020 and even the announcers where pointing out the difference in QB play, Corral was head and shoulders above Mac.

 

Go look up what they said about the 2017 Class

https://www.nfl.com/news/2017-nfl-draft-trubisky-leads-qb-class-lacking-elite-talent-0ap3000000799332

 

A huge part of a rookie's success (and especially for a QB) is where the player lands:

• how stable is the franchise ?
• how good is the coaching staff ?
• how much patience does the organization show with player development ?
• does the player fit the offensive scheme they run ?
• is the rest of the team built up ? (solid OL, competent receivers, good running game, good D)
• is there playing time available ?

Mac Jones landed on a team that checked every box.

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by BlitzMonster

[mrcompletely11]

I see the howell fascination is still going strong on this board every after everything thats been put out.

[rippadonn]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Why? Strong didn’t look like a good QB against draftable talent. Why weaken your OL by trading down and picking a QB who isn’t going to be a successful NFL starter?

Game tape. Prior performance. Talent. Size 6'4". Youth. Cannon arm(helps in the NFL with speed receivers). 4186yrds 36td only 8ints. He's the steal. Him sitting behind Cam and Sam and having him compete for the starting QB in a year or two. Better than Will Grier. Get a Monster Mollie #6, play your vet QB. Feature Sam in the preseason for interested parties. The following year the rookie with the arm and NFL level preparation watching a pro do it will be next man up ready to give #1 a proper retirement that year or next.

Need that OL to get back to running and throwing and winning. A come up in a weak QB market isn't a bad thing especially in the third or late second if they could pull it off.

The radar isn't in Strong and that's a good thing if you recognize this guy has all the prototypical tools for NFL success.

[Jackie Lee]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

 

I was not a Jones fan at all. Still am not, really. Keep in mind that he won a game this year passing the ball 3 times and had a total of two 300+ yard passing games. People are rushing to thinking Jones is good. I remember seeing people jerk off all over Matt Cassell, Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett who played well in New England too. All basically backups or average starters.

I don't believe that we will be thinking much of Mac Jones in 4-5 seasons.

Yeah I really doubt Belichick was planning on him being anything besides a place holder at the position. He pretty much drafts a qb every two years, unlike the Panthers who prefer to try and fix other teams busts

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Game tape. Prior performance. Talent. Size 6'4". Youth. Cannon arm(helps in the NFL with speed receivers). 4186yrds 36td only 8ints. He's the steal. Him sitting behind Cam and Sam and having him compete for the starting QB in a year or two. Better than Will Grier. Get a Monster Mollie #6, play your vet QB. Feature Sam in the preseason for interested parties. The following year the rookie with the arm and NFL level preparation watching a pro do it will be next man up ready to give #1 a proper retirement that year or next.

Need that OL to get back to running and throwing and winning. A come up in a weak QB market isn't a bad thing especially in the third or late second if they could pull it off.

The radar isn't in Strong and that's a good thing if you recognize this guy has all the prototypical tools for NFL success.

Wait you want us to trade up for Carson Strong?   You serious clark?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I would have taken Wentz, Trubisky, Winston or any number of other reclaimation QB's over Darnold. He was obviously a bust. But our braintrust thought he looked like Matt Stafford. 

That speaks volumes.

If we were going for a non-premium vet I wanted to either sign Trubisky or trade for Minshew. Both of those options were far better than Darnold, both for the player we would've been getting and the price we would've been having to pay. 

I just don't think Trubisky would've signed with us. I really think he was looking to land somewhere where he could just breathe and regroup in a stable environment before trying to make a run at competing for another starting gig.

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, BlitzMonster said:

profession scouts have rated the players as such:

• 6.50  Zach Wilson - boom or bust prospect
• 6.47  Trey Lance - will be starter within first two seasons

So let's see how Sam Howell's prospect grade turns out.

RemindMe! 2 months

SF is kicking a dude to the curb that nearly got them to the Super Bowl and gave up TWO 1st round picks (and a 3rd) to acquire Trey Lance.  Who is kicking their starter to the curb or giving up a couple of first rounders up for Howell?

FYI, Lance was my draft crush last year.  I was bummed when he was taken.  I doubt we would have drafted him anyway even if he were still available.  Ya know, Matt Rhule and all...

[rippadonn]

34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Wait you want us to trade up for Carson Strong?   You serious clark?

I'd take a chance on a promising young NFL prospect with all the intangibles moving up in the third or late second, 6'4"great stats, big arm only a junior young rookie contract, with upside, before I'd waste a #6 on Pickett and continue to have a shtty Oline. Yes, all day!

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

I'd take a chance on a promising young NFL prospect with all the intangibles moving up in the third or late second, 6'4"great stats, big arm only a junior young rookie contract, with upside, before I'd waste a #6 on Pickett and continue to have a shtty Oline. Yes, all day!

With you on pickett but fug no trading more assets for a developmental qb who may simply drop multiple rounds simply due to his knee.  listen to the draft dudes podcast where they talk about his knee wearing down late in the year.  He had some cadaver ligment inserted trying to ease the wear and tear.  fug that nonsense of drafting a kid already hurt that is as immobile as they come

Edited February 7, 2022 by mrcompletely11

[Sgt Schultz]

50 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

 

A huge part of a rookie's success (and especially for a QB) is where the player lands:

• how stable is the franchise ?
• how good is the coaching staff ?
• how much patience does the organization show with player development ?
• does the player fit the offensive scheme they run ?
• is the rest of the team built up ? (solid OL, competent receivers, good running game, good D)
• is there playing time available ?

Mac Jones landed on a team that checked every box.

 

Jones was certainly not a fit everywhere.  In fact, there are only a few teams he probably would fit into.  The Pats being the top of that tree.

In terms of landing spots, he got the best.  Then Lance.  After that, it gets dicey.  The Bears have not exactly been a breeding ground for QB development, and Nagy was not going to buck that trend.  Wilson and Lawrence had to consider signing up for kamikaze school when they were drafted by the Jags and Jets.  Situations like that are part of the reason first round QBs fail as often as they do.