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[Panthero]

23 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Yeah... top shelf integrity and nothing but facts. They have always worked super hard for it. Lolz

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/deansterlingjones/snopes-cofounder-plagiarism-mikkelson

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/?sh=21378445227f

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/business/media/snopes-plagiarism-David-Mikkelson.html

they are known democrat operatives. doesn't mean dems are always wrong but these people are baised as hell and pretend to be fact checkers. may as well get your news from SNL. 

[mav1234]

I've disagreed with plenty of outcomes of fact checkers but the one in question from Snopes appears accurate and the sources they cite seem in line with what they're reporting.

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, Panthero said:

they are known democrat operatives. doesn't mean dems are always wrong but these people are baised as hell and pretend to be fact checkers. may as well get your news from SNL. 

Actually, I do get my news from SNL. 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Yeah... top shelf integrity and nothing but facts. They have always worked super hard for it. Lolz

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/deansterlingjones/snopes-cofounder-plagiarism-mikkelson

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/?sh=21378445227f

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/business/media/snopes-plagiarism-David-Mikkelson.html

Plagiarism is indeed highly unethical, and I'm foursquare against it, but does that mean that everyone associated with an organization is a plagiarizer? Moreover, does that mean that the information that's plagiarized is untrue? Seriously.

And let's stop pretending that there are organizations, companies, courts that consist of wholly nonpartisan-minded individuals. People are people with their own beliefs and opinions, and they make up any institution that you can think of. Does that make them all liars about the facts of a situation? 

It's like dumbasses who deny climate change for example. There is sound science behind it--a lot of it straight facts and not theory--and see and experience the increasing effects of it, but still deny it. I have little patience for it. I'd respect them more if they'd just say, "Yes, it exists, but I don't give a damn, because I don't want you upsetting my applecart now." 

I'd respect you more if you just say, "I don't value Snopes because I feel it's made up of people with liberal political leanings, regardless if the facts or true or not." That's a lot more accurate than expressing or intimating, "Snopes is a trash site, and everything Snopes says is a lie." 

Edited June 26, 2022 by top dawg

[Panthero]

hes saying they are trash because they're leftist advocates posing as impartial observers. how do I know what to believe from them when they have been shown to put their ideology over a balanced analysis. no different than fox or msnbc or cnn. all shills for the corporate dollars. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by Panthero

[tiger7_88]

On 6/25/2022 at 3:35 PM, top dawg said:

His ass really needs to be suspended the entire season. Unlike some cases, this seems pretty much cut-and-dried. He took exception to the guy calling his friend ugly and then beat the sh¡t out of him. If they were teens in high school, I promise you that the one who did the beat-down would be expelled for the year.

 

Being a millionaire in this world solves lots of inconvenient problems.

[X-Clown]

11 hours ago, top dawg said:

Hey, if it ain't on Fox News, it has to be wrong, right?

Political views? Do you not think it would be bad for business for a fact checking organization that shares the apolitical facts to swing right or left? What are my political views? Not that I have to tell you, but I will. I am politically unaffiliated. I don't particularly care for Democrats or Republicans, so-called liberals or so-called conservatives, so-called neolibs or so-called neocons. I abhor the current political system in America, but I absolutely have disdain for fascist-supporting simps who are at many times racist as well. I have disdain for people who rail against truth, but devour lies without doing the first bit of research. I hate fascism, and will speak against it at every turn.  If I had my way, people would vote policy over party every single time, indeed parties would be dissolved. I generally think that people whose go-to modus operandi in any thought process or argument is to immediately begin throwing around political labels, or assuming that someone is this or that are basically stupid, and are unwitting pawns of the oligarchs who rule via Plutocrats in Congress (whose goal is to become Oligarchs themselves). 

Believe what you want to believe, but independent journalism, inasmuch as it can be in America, still exists.  Not everything is the truth, and not everything is a lie, but there are organizations that do their best to get to the truth (which is admittedly sometimes a bit tedious to uncover). Snopes and Politifacts are such organizations, whether you acknowledge it or not.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/19/viral-image/no-factcheckorg-didnt-bust-snopescom/

 

I was 100% being sarcastic. Apparently that didn’t come through very well.

Edited June 27, 2022 by X-Clown

[X-Clown]

4 hours ago, Panthero said:

hes saying they are trash because they're leftist advocates posing as impartial observers. how do I know what to believe from them when they have been shown to put their ideology over a balanced analysis. no different than fox or msnbc or cnn. all shills for the corporate dollars. 

So this whole thing about snopes got started because a poster in this thread claimed that over half of active players in the NFL have had a felony charge. People rightfully questioned what his source of that data was. He never answered the question, but It piqued my curiosity because it sounded so out there. A quick google search led me to the snopes article. As soon as I posted the link which breaks down where this myth originated (a social media post from a random guy who doesn’t like football players kneeling for the anthem and doesn’t understand math), I got an “lol you trust snopes” response. I haven’t had a single person yet tell me what was wrong specifically with their findings In this article, so am I to take it that the random social media user is who I should believe? What’s more likely?

Edited June 27, 2022 by X-Clown

[Mother Grabber]

On 6/25/2022 at 8:42 PM, PantherPhann89 said:

I missed your meaning...

there’s a big gap between “no one is perfect” and causing major bodily harm.

[mav1234]

8 hours ago, Panthero said:

hes saying they are trash because they're leftist advocates posing as impartial observers. how do I know what to believe from them when they have been shown to put their ideology over a balanced analysis. no different than fox or msnbc or cnn. all shills for the corporate dollars. 

The way you know how is to read what they source. If you don't believe it for one reason or another, so be it.  You don't have to agree with their conclusions to utilize their research, either... Sometimes the research they do (in this case scholarly work) can help point you to other experts etc. For me, fact checkers are as much about what they are citing and summarizing as whatever their opinion is on material.

[PantherPhann89]

6 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

there’s a big gap between “no one is perfect” and causing major bodily harm.

Yes there is...

[YourLastThought]