Today's Game

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Savage…but true

Man just look at who you are agreeing with. Bunch of nonsense. Pickett did nothing to hurt his draft status 6/6 89 yards and a TD, Willis has teams zeroing in on him from his practices and Howell made a bunch of something out of nothing like he did all year. Ridder and Pickett were the only QBs who really had a pocket to work with, but as it’s been stated this game isn’t going to be taken too seriously by scouts. They just wanted to see the players up close, and listen to the interviews etc…

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t know if anyone will trade up for us to trade back. Is Glass projected to go in the 2nd?

Glass is projected to possibly get drafted. Like at all.

[Luciu5]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Reaching for a need, especially at quarterback, can set you back for years.

That doesn't make any sense. Just because your 1st rounder busts this year doesn't mean you can't draft another next year (see Cardinals). Unless you trade up for 3 1st rounders, in which that case you would have a point.

[LinvilleGorge]

It's hilarious to talk about being "setback" while Matt Rhule is our coach and David Tepper is our owner.

God forbid we risk giving up ground on our back to back five win seasons!

Folks, we are at the threshold of the NFL's basement. Embrace it.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Luciu5 said:

That doesn't make any sense. Just because your 1st rounder busts this year doesn't mean you can't draft another next year (see Cardinals). Unless you trade up for 3 1st rounders, in which that case you would have a point.

Yeah I think it’s an old school way of thinking, back when the 1st round QBs were making a ton of money. Most teams try to give the drafted QBs a few years to develop, so there is that plus the player you could have drafted instead. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah I think it’s an old school way of thinking, back when the 1st round QBs were making a ton of money. Most teams try to give the drafted QBs a few years to develop, so there is that plus the player you could have drafted instead. 

Yeah, you could have an underperforming DT or an injured CB!

[Shocker]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Man just look at who you are agreeing with. Bunch of nonsense. Pickett did nothing to hurt his draft status 6/6 89 yards and a TD, Willis has teams zeroing in on him from his practices and Howell made a bunch of something out of nothing like he did all year. Ridder and Pickett were the only QBs who really had a pocket to work with, but as it’s been stated this game isn’t going to be taken too seriously by scouts. They just wanted to see the players up close, and listen to the interviews etc…

Dude…Kenny Pickett is not as good as Darnold.  No way man.  He will be 24 as a rookie. 1 year younger than Sam.  Does not have the arm.  Does not have the pedigree Darnold has.  He isn’t near the player.  The amazingly terrible reach he would be astounding to me.  If we pick Kenny Pickett in this draft at all it is a wasted pick.  

Edited February 6, 2022 by Shocker

[LinvilleGorge]

Pickett doesn't have NFL traits. Willis is nowhere near NFL ready.

If you're talking about an NFL QB who is going to potentially do something over the next year or two, it's a two horse race. Howell and Corral. All the other QBs in this class are long shot projects or likely backups at best. 

[amcoolio]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Man just look at who you are agreeing with. Bunch of nonsense. Pickett did nothing to hurt his draft status 6/6 89 yards and a TD, Willis has teams zeroing in on him from his practices and Howell made a bunch of something out of nothing like he did all year. Ridder and Pickett were the only QBs who really had a pocket to work with, but as it’s been stated this game isn’t going to be taken too seriously by scouts. They just wanted to see the players up close, and listen to the interviews etc…

So? Lots of QB's have gone 6/6 for 89 yards. Darnold had a few first quarters like that this year. He was still garbage. There's no poise there. Pickett looks a lot like Darnold did. Howell is okay I guess, but doesn't wow me. Eye test, these QB's don't have it, and none of them are worthy of a top 10 pick. Despite us having the NFL's worst collection of QB's currently, I certainly would NOT waste it on any of these jags. 

Like I was really low on Fields and Jones and Lance last year, and didn't want to pick one in the top 10, but these guys are all a tier or two or even three below even those guys. I think the bust potential is greater than 80%. And for a coach and GM needing to make a home run, that's an awful large gamble to make.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Dude…Kenny Pickett is not as good as Darnold.  No way man.  He will be 24 as a rookie. 1 year younger than Sam.  Does not have the arm.  Does not have the pedigree Darnold has.  He isn’t near the player.  The amazingly terrible reach he would be astounding to me.  If we pick Kenny Pickett in this draft at all it is a wasted pick.  

I’m not really a Pickett fan, but he can actually read a defense. I think of him as a more mobile Mac Jones. His arm is adequate, probably below average. Scouts are comparing him to Derek Carr. I’m not a fan of him at 6, but Carr is 100x better than Darnold.

Honestly I was more concerned with the poster you were agreeing with writing off ALL the QBs after watching a Senior Bowl…

[Shocker]

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m not really a Pickett fan, but he can actually read a defense. I think of him as a more mobile Mac Jones. His arm is adequate, probably below average. Scouts are comparing him to Derek Carr. I’m not a fan of him at 6, but Carr is 100x better than Darnold.

Honestly I was more concerned with the poster you were agreeing with writing off ALL the QBs after watching a Senior Bowl…

LOL…Derek Carr is better than anyone even being discussed.  Big Carr fan.  Pickett is nothing even close to Carr.  Pickett is an amazing bust and if he becomes a backup I will flat out be shocked.  If the Panthers can’t see his red flags we are fugged

Mel Kiper is an evaluator I love.  He is flat out about measurables with every prospect.  His love for Pickett is funny to me but I take it with a grain of salt.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Shocker

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

LOL…Derek Carr is better than anyone even being discussed.  Big Carr fan.  Pickett is nothing even close to Carr.  Pickett is an amazing bust and if he becomes a backup I will flat out be shocked.  If the Panthers can’t see his red flags we are fugged

https://withthefirstpick.com/2021/12/16/nfl-draft-expert-kenny-pickett/amp/
 

There is where Kiper compares him to Carr. There are some similarities, but I can see concerns that you could have as well. 

[Mr. Scot]

36 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

That doesn't make any sense. Just because your 1st rounder busts this year doesn't mean you can't draft another next year (see Cardinals). Unless you trade up for 3 1st rounders, in which that case you would have a point.

Because not many teams bail on a first rounder, especially a top ten pick, after one year.

Yeah it's happened, but it's not the norm.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Shocker]

LOL…Howell looked great in the Senior Bowl game.  No OL as usual.  Crazy evaluations based on what I see.