Being aggressive in free agency and trades wins.

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5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yeah and if they don't, that's not going to be the case at all.

True, but what do most people think that Leonard Floyd, Von Miller and Aaron Darnold are going to do to the Bengals O-line? And when they put Burrow in a burrow, this won't be a case of Tennessee and Tannehill making dumb mistakes. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

Considering that 4 of the last 6 participants in the super bowl have effectively been super teams, I think mortgaging the future is pretty darn beneficial if the timing is right.

For all the BS this board talked about the Saints nearing "cap hell" they were very competitive for several years while we were in the dumpster with all our cap space.  Spend money to win.  It's a game.  If you lose you get to hit the reset button in a couple years and try again.  We're hitting the rest button yet again after sucking for 4 years straight.

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

The Bucs now have lost Tom Brady. They have 24 free agents to sign and $13 million in Cap Space to do it. 

They are beyond screwed at this point. They went all in on Brady to create profit margins that justify the down years sure to follow his retirement.

The Rams, I don't know how they continue to do this. Eventually it will catch up to them in some way whether it's a poor free agent class, lack of draft capital, lack of salary cap space, etc. 

Look at the Bengals. Six wins in two years followed by a Super Bowl run. Joe Burrow and McPhee are very reminiscent of Tom Brady and Vinitari circa 2000-2001 to me. They drafted well, developed their talent, and they have a roster built to last without making any high profile free agency additions or trades.

Which do you think is more sustainable? Rhule needs to give roster control to Fitterer and focus on developing talent on the roster. Let front office guys front office, let coaches coach. 

So the bucs will join the rest of the league while having a SB ring, meanwhile the other teams....

Again in this league you have a short window so you better strike, the panthers learned that the hard way. Yeah look at the Bengals I bet they will be aggressive in free agency going forward knowing any second a pass rusher can come in there and end Burrow season.

Perfect example is the packers they have had two generational top 10 maybe top 5 Qb's ever and only have 2 SB to show for it, why? cause they are a bunch of frugal build by the draft morons. Add its the reason rodgers is leaving 

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Hey, hope is about all we have right now.  Unfortunately, this poster most likely sums it up:

There is no one answer, but we tried annually chasing FA's to fill the "couple of players" we were away.  We never seemed to get the right couple of players, we did spend a lot of money, and then the number in "couple" grew due to injuries, lost FAs, and age. 

New England has been a fixture in the playoffs most of the last 20 years and won 6 titles in the process.  They were not great at drafting and not terribly aggressive with FAs (the occasional Randy Moss aside).  Yet, they always seemed to find role players that created greater results than the sum of the parts.

It comes down to reading and reacting, and also have a realistic assessment of that the team needs and how far away it is.  We may need an entire OL (save for Moton, and maybe BC and/or Brown who we have no real idea about because they were not put into a position to assess), a QB, and a few other random pieces.  Too many to go on a spending spree to fill the gaps.

I feel like the Three Stooges scene when Moe states they are in trouble.  Larry chimes in that it will take brains to get them out of whatever situation they were in.  Moe's response rings true....."That's why I said we are in trouble."

The patriots are way more aggressive in trades in free agency the panthers have been over the past decade. They take flyers on big names like Moss, Antonio Brown, Josh Gordon, traded for Brandin Cooks. They signed Revis and Gilmore the two most expensive big name DB in the market at the time.

 

The panthers most expensive WR signing in the last decade was Robby Anderson at 2 years 20 million before that was Russell Shepard.  

[Sgt Schultz]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

The patriots are way more aggressive in trades in free agency the panthers have been over the past decade. They take flyers on big names like Moss, Antonio Brown, Josh Gordon, traded for Brandin Cooks. They signed Revis and Gilmore the two most expensive big name DB in the market at the time.

 

The panthers most expensive WR signing in the last decade was Robby Anderson at 2 years 20 million before that was Russell Shepard.  

The question is not whether they were more aggressive than the Panthers, by dollars, it is whether they were above or below the Mason-Dixon line of the league overall.  I think most would say they were more conservative than the league average.  When they did go after somebody, it was a very pointed signing (and often at WR).  And sometimes they got a discount because those FAs weighed in a potential championship.  Otherwise they were generally looking for role players. 

Oddly, while signing Moss and Brown were big splashes, they did not lead to championships, and unlike the Panthers, anything less than a championship was a disappointment. 

This past year was the Pats most aggressive FA acquisition season I can remember.  It probably should be, because they signed one of everything and two of some (slightly exaggerating). I think they committed about $150M or so last year on 11 or so FAs.

Robby Anderson?  Try Matt Kalil at 5 years, $55M.  Although nobody can fault you for blocking that one out.  Lord knows, everybody on this board tries.

[GoobyPls]

10 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The question is not whether they were more aggressive than the Panthers, by dollars, it is whether they were above or below the Mason-Dixon line of the league overall.  I think most would say they were more conservative than the league average.  When they did go after somebody, it was a very pointed signing (and often at WR).  And sometimes they got a discount because those FAs weighed in a potential championship.  Otherwise they were generally looking for role players. 

Oddly, while signing Moss and Brown were big splashes, they did not lead to championships, and unlike the Panthers, anything less than a championship was a disappointment. 

This past year was the Pats most aggressive FA acquisition season I can remember.  It probably should be, because they signed one of everything and two of some (slightly exaggerating). I think they committed about $150M or so last year on 11 or so FAs.

Robby Anderson?  Try Matt Kalil at 5 years, $55M.  Although nobody can fault you for blocking that one out.  Lord knows, everybody on this board tries.

The patriots are more aggressive than the average nfl team, only a handful of teams have come close to being that active among swinging for big name players. The panthers are the other hand we’re content signing unknown players who have never sniffed a pro bowl.

 

Kalil isn’t a WR.

[Sgt Schultz]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

The patriots are more aggressive than the average nfl team, only a handful of teams have come close to being that active among swinging for big name players. The panthers are the other hand we’re content signing unknown players who have never sniffed a pro bowl.

 

Kalil isn’t a WR.

Sorry, I missed your reference to WRs.  Maybe Kalil would have been more effective as a WR.

Sometimes you have to look at the free agent pool in your area of need and come to the conclusion the answer is not there.  That realization is not something the Panthers accept.  It's not even shopping at the bargain bin, it is more like the scratch and dent store.

[Frizzy350]

15 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

Damn; Cam never had not one true legit THREAT at WR. Like a LEGIT guy.

I mean... he had steve smith.

But then we cut him...

[mc52beast]

22 hours ago, Growl said:

A Healthy Cap is more important than winning games, I don’t wanna pull for a team that is so obsessed with winning Super Bowls that they forget what’s important, and that’s being fiscally sensible and doing it the right way

Sounds like you’re talking about the Aints and how they are constantly tens of millions over the cap.