Wait, it doesn't take 7 years to make a winning team?!?!?!??!?!?!?

[TheCasillas]

14 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Matt Rhule inherited a team far better than John Fox did, far better than Ron Rivera did, and they made immediate strides.

Meh, I dont agree here. Rhule inherited an empty roster and almost 100 million in dead cap.  Fox and Rivera both had oppportuntiies to go on shopping sprees, and didnt lose 60% of his roster in their first season of coaching. 

Not defending anyone, just calling out the rational differences between both coaches.

[parker]

3 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Matt Rhule inherited a team far better than John Fox did, far better than Ron Rivera did, and they made immediate strides. Rhule is just a bad coach and a worse evaluator of talent. That is all this is.

 

Are you kidding me?  The 2002 roster had Muhammad, Smith, Walls, Steussie, Mitchell, Donnalley, Peppers, Jenkins, Buckner, Rucker, Fields, Morgan, Grant and Minter and Kasay.  Which one of those would you kick out for one of the 2020 starters?  

[jopie87]

1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Meh, I dont agree here. Rhule inherited an empty roster and almost 100 million in dead cap.  Fox and Rivera both had oppportuntiies to go on shopping sprees, and didnt lose 60% of his roster in their first season of coaching. 

Not defending anyone, just calling out the rational differences between both coaches.

Fair point.

[Dory]

1 minute ago, jopie87 said:

Nothing that happened 30 years ago plays any role in this. This regime turned it around in 3 years. I'm not going to mock Zac Taylor because the Bengals sucked when he was in grade school. He turned them around in 3 years. 

The point is it took decades to find the regime to turn things around

[Mike in Raleigh]

It does if you insist on shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Which this FO seems intent on doing.

[jopie87]

1 minute ago, parker said:

Are you kidding me?  The 2002 roster had Muhammad, Smith, Walls, Steussie, Mitchell, Donnalley, Peppers, Jenkins, Buckner, Rucker, Fields, Morgan, Grant and Minter and Kasay.  Which one of those would you kick out for one of the 2020 starters?  

Fair point as well. I was looking mainly at how those teams performed in the last year of the prior coach. That team in 2001 lost like 15 in a row and the year before Rivera came in, the team was awful too.

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Yes, absolutely we do. 

Zac Taylor has been there for three seasons.

First season, they were terrible.

Second season, they made progress.

Year three, AFC Championship game.

It doesn't take 7 years to rebuild. It is actually comical for any coach to think that it does. 7 years is a huge period of time when the average NFL career comes in somewhere around 2.5 years. A 7 year rebuild is essentially saying that you need nearly 3 full passes on your roster to get it right.

you cant just choose a winoow for a rebuild, lol. The bengals have been in a 30 year drought. They have players from the last 6 drafts still on that roster. Mike Brown has been the "GM" for the bengals for over a decade... is that when the rebuild started?

 

or do we just choose when the bengals drafted Burrows?

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Fair point as well. I was looking mainly at how those teams performed in the last year of the prior coach. That team in 2001 lost like 15 in a row and the year before Rivera came in, the team was awful too.

you mean before Fox came in? And then the year after we found our franchise QB. SAme with Rivera.

 

The one thing the NFL has constantly shown is that HCs go down with their QBs, and succeed with them as well.

Edited January 23, 2022 by TheCasillas

[rayzor]

Not having an embarrassing coaching staff that doesn't have a clue how to run a pro team in pro games probably helps.

[parker]

9 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Yes, absolutely we do. 

Zac Taylor has been there for three seasons.

First season, they were terrible.

Second season, they made progress.

Year three, AFC Championship game.

It doesn't take 7 years to rebuild. It is actually comical for any coach to think that it does. 7 years is a huge period of time when the average NFL career comes in somewhere around 2.5 years. A 7 year rebuild is essentially saying that you need nearly 3 full passes on your roster to get it right.

It's going to be different for each team.  Getting Burrow was a game changer for the Bengals.  Do you think Taylor gets to the AFC championship with Sam Darnold as his QB?

[Snake]

It should never take 7 years. Ever... 

[parker]

11 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Fair point as well. I was looking mainly at how those teams performed in the last year of the prior coach. That team in 2001 lost like 15 in a row and the year before Rivera came in, the team was awful too.

It's easy to forget how great that roster was.  They lost almost all those games by 3 points or less.  Fox drafter Peppers, Deshaun Foster and Will Witherspoon that year.  

[jopie87]

2 minutes ago, parker said:

It's going to be different for each team.  Getting Burrow was a game changer for the Bengals.  Do you think Taylor gets to the AFC championship with Sam Darnold as his QB?

I think the makeup of the team is critical. Taking Burrow may have been a no-brainer. But go back to the draft this year, the no-brainer was to take a tackle. They took a risk to go with a star their QB wanted and it paid off. I don't know that that team makes the playoffs if they draft a tackle instead.

I just want the team to win. It's incredibly frustrating knowing that the process for this team is to maybe, possibly be good somewhere around 2025. Any period of time where I have to be jealous of Bengals fans isn't going to be a good time.

[SazmoRanger]

18 minutes ago, Dory said:

The point is it took decades to find the regime to turn things around

Yeah, but I think he’s talking about Tepper AND Rhule talking about it taking 7 years. So no, it shouldn’t take 7 years. It’s taking 7 years because Rhule is way over his head. 
 

Do you think that the Panthers wouldn’t be in a hell of a lot better position if the 49ers, Rams, Titans, Chiefs, etc organizations were making the choices instead of Marty/Rhule?