Our future QB?

[Dory]

7 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Demonstrably false.  Laughably so in fact.

Over the last three years, here are their stats next to each other:

Cam - 361 / 583, 62% completion.  12 TD (2%), 16 INT (2.7%)

Minsh - 542 / 857, 63% completion.  41 TD (4.8%), 12 INT (1.4%)

More stats?  Sure.  Cam over the last three years is around 6 air yards per attempt.  TEDDY BRIDGEWATER is averaging 7.2 - Minshew the same.

Statistically, it's not even close.

When you go to league wide opinion, it's the same.  The Eagles traded a draft pick for Minshew while Cam Newton was sitting on his couch.

I'm not saying Minshew is the answer.  I'm not even really advocating we chase him.  But people who cannot see that Cam is beyond DONE aren't playing with a full deck.

Don't quote me and give me a paragraph of bullshit. Cam had 21 TD last year with nothing on offense in NE. Gardner Minshew on NE last year wouldn't have had 21 TD - your stats don't tell the real story

[Skack25]

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

The guy that got booed all year long in Chicago? Panthers fans will boo Dalton off the field and also boo when Darnold takes the field lol. 

They booed Dalton because Nagy refused to play Fields.  We don't have that luxury here.  I would still not touch Dalton with a 10 foot pole.  Sadly, we are going to have to make Sam earn his money.  He's going to be the starter next year.

[Dory]

17 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Demonstrably false.  Laughably so in fact.

Over the last three years, here are their stats next to each other:

Cam - 361 / 583, 62% completion.  12 TD (2%), 16 INT (2.7%)

Minsh - 542 / 857, 63% completion.  41 TD (4.8%), 12 INT (1.4%)

More stats?  Sure.  Cam over the last three years is around 6 air yards per attempt.  TEDDY BRIDGEWATER is averaging 7.2 - Minshew the same.

Statistically, it's not even close.

When you go to league wide opinion, it's the same.  The Eagles traded a draft pick for Minshew while Cam Newton was sitting on his couch.

I'm not saying Minshew is the answer.  I'm not even really advocating we chase him.  But people who cannot see that Cam is beyond DONE aren't playing with a full deck.

Cam, 30 TD last two seasons

Minshew, 20 TD

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, Skack25 said:

They booed Dalton because Nagy refused to play Fields.  We don't have that luxury here.  I would still not touch Dalton with a 10 foot pole.  Sadly, we are going to have to make Sam earn his money.  He's going to be the starter next year.

Yeah that's pretty much my point. Unless something magical happens whoever goes to the games is gonna boo until Rhule is gone. Or the stadium will be 60% opposing fans. If we had kept Teddy and taken Fields I think fans would have a little bit of patience but this "process" has been ridiculous from the get-go. Don't see Rhule ever living down his Slater evaluation either

[Skack25]

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah that's pretty much my point. Unless something magical happens whoever goes to the games is gonna boo until Rhule is gone. Or the stadium will be 60% opposing fans. If we had kept Teddy and taken Fields I think fans would have a little bit of patience but this "process" has been ridiculous from the get-go. Don't see Rhule ever living down his Slater evaluation either

Rhule's evaluation and explanation around OL decisions has been piss poor all season.  Brady should have been the LT starter all year, and then he should have just kept the Slater comments to himself.  Complete disaster.  Especially when successful OL evaluators around the league are saying arm length doesn't mean dick.

[rico6]

1 hour ago, DamnItJake! said:

If anything I would go after Minshew!! He reminds me of Jake Delhomme!! I think he would bring energy to the team and play good enough to keep the offense in the game.. He has that moment to drop the ball in there!! Just think he would be a better gamble then of all these retread QBs 

Jake was… Jake, due to in large prime Steve Smith ripping the league.

[Cdparr7]

Maybe we could get Bill Callahan or Doug Marrone for OL coach since there is a connection from both to Gruden 

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Maybe we could get Bill Callahan or Doug Marrone for OL coach since there is a connection from both to Gruden 

Callahan is the Browns OL coach. It'd be a lateral move.

Marrone would be good.

Worth noting the Assistant OL Coach in Jacksonville was our own Tony Sparano, so there's that.

Edited January 21, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[FuFuLamePoo]

What’s sad is it’s far from the worst outcome this off-season could bring. That firmly keeps us in the running for one of the 2 QBs next draft.

[BrianS]

50 minutes ago, Dory said:

Don't quote me and give me a paragraph of bullshit. Cam had 21 TD last year with nothing on offense in NE. Gardner Minshew on NE last year wouldn't have had 21 TD - your stats don't tell the real story

If Cam had nothing - what changed?  New England's leading receiver this year?  Jakobi Meyers.  Yep, there last year.  Leading rusher this year?  Damien Harris?  Yep, there last year.  QB this year?  Rookie.  I'll remind you, New England went from 27th in offense last year, with Cam, to 6th in offense this year.

Why was Cam on the couch?  It's really simple.  Because 32 teams decided they were better off with guys like Minshew, Bridgewater, TAYSOM FRAKKING HILL and Taylor Heinecke than signing Cam off the couch.

I love Cam.  What he did for our team.  I love the person he has become over the years.  He's grown as a man.  That's all you can ask of someone as a person.  But the bottom line is that the beatings took their toll and Cam is now a trick play.  He's not an NFL starter.

[OneBadCat]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

If Cam had nothing - what changed?  New England's leading receiver this year?  Jakobi Meyers.  Yep, there last year.  Leading rusher this year?  Damien Harris?  Yep, there last year.  QB this year?  Rookie.  I'll remind you, New England went from 27th in offense last year, with Cam, to 6th in offense this year.

Why was Cam on the couch?  It's really simple.  Because 32 teams decided they were better off with guys like Minshew, Bridgewater, TAYSOM FRAKKING HILL and Taylor Heinecke than signing Cam off the couch.

I love Cam.  What he did for our team.  I love the person he has become over the years.  He's grown as a man.  That's all you can ask of someone as a person.  But the bottom line is that the beatings took their toll and Cam is now a trick play.  He's not an NFL starter.

Edited January 21, 2022 by OneBadCat
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[OneBadCat]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

If Cam had nothing - what changed?  New England's leading receiver this year?  Jakobi Meyers.  Yep, there last year.  Leading rusher this year?  Damien Harris?  Yep, there last year.  QB this year?  Rookie.  I'll remind you, New England went from 27th in offense last year, with Cam, to 6th in offense this year.

Why was Cam on the couch?  It's really simple.  Because 32 teams decided they were better off with guys like Minshew, Bridgewater, TAYSOM FRAKKING HILL and Taylor Heinecke than signing Cam off the couch.

I love Cam.  What he did for our team.  I love the person he has become over the years.  He's grown as a man.  That's all you can ask of someone as a person.  But the bottom line is that the beatings took their toll and Cam is now a trick play.  He's not an NFL starter.

NE is a better team than they were last year. They decided to go with the rookie for the long term development. Who knows how Cam would have done in NE if he was the starter. 
 

Ron Rivera has his own reasons for not signing Cam and T. Heineke is a good QB in his own right. I would still absolutely go with Cam over TB, Taysom Hill, or Minshew if we gave him a full offseason and offensive line that wasn’t complete dogshit. 
 

And to be let’s not act like Cam still doesn’t deal with ignorant racism to this day. Even Rhule and Fitt went out of their way to say how hard Cam works as if it were a surprise to them. Rhule judged him the minute he walked in the door as HC.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by OneBadCat

[Dory]

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

If Cam had nothing - what changed?  New England's leading receiver this year?  Jakobi Meyers.  Yep, there last year.  Leading rusher this year?  Damien Harris?  Yep, there last year.  QB this year?  Rookie.  I'll remind you, New England went from 27th in offense last year, with Cam, to 6th in offense this year.

Why was Cam on the couch?  It's really simple.  Because 32 teams decided they were better off with guys like Minshew, Bridgewater, TAYSOM FRAKKING HILL and Taylor Heinecke than signing Cam off the couch.

I love Cam.  What he did for our team.  I love the person he has become over the years.  He's grown as a man.  That's all you can ask of someone as a person.  But the bottom line is that the beatings took their toll and Cam is now a trick play.  He's not an NFL starter.

I'm pretty sure Mac Jones did not have even one TD to a member of the 2020 Patriots

[SizzleBuzz]

4 hours ago, rico6 said:

Jake was… Jake, due to in large prime Steve Smith ripping the league.

"Jake" was a baaaaAAD man

16-games over .500 in his Panthers career with 8-playoff games and a 5-3 record as such...

...all best-in-class for your Carolina Panthers

Kudos to Jake, good onya mate...