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After today, everyone should understand you need a QB

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

Worst part is Rhule is entering a critical year 3. If we pick top 10 in 2023 he is most likely not making that pick. What is stoping him from throwing the kitchen in this years draft? Is Tepper truly that dim or is he being deliberately ignorant?

Honestly, a rookie QB might buy him more time. Sign some retread vet and go 8-9 and you're probably fired. Go 8-9 with a rookie and you can legitimately argue you're on your way to building something.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, a rookie QB might buy him more time. Sign some retread vet and go 8-9 and you're probably fired. Go 8-9 with a rookie and you can legitimately argue you're on your way to building something.

Do you think this team can get to .500 or close to it with a rookie QB?

But to be honest this regime has made so many fireable offenses already that even if they do pull something like that off I would have little faith in them bringing any real success.

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31 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

I agree. Keep picking QBs till you find the guy. 

Tht strategy works best when Jon Gruden is your head coach.

Also assumes you have a high pick every year, which means you suck.

The alternative though is taking a guy and actually trying to coach and develop him rather than just hoping he was already a finished product when you drafted him.

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5 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

A lot of years actually. Only 5 times since 2000 has a non-QB went #1.  Were these QB actually the top-rated guys on draft boards?  It's a mixed bag, but I agree not exclusively.  The tell-tail sign of how good the class is when a QB is drafted #1 over is where the 2nd and 3rd guys go.  It's a really good measure.  We shall see after the draft what teams thought of this QB class.  Houston at #3 really needs a QB and if they go FA or stick with Davis Mills over Pickett/Corral that will be very telling.

 

so all those times the QB went first they were they highest rated player, please.  QBs almost always get overdrafted.

How good the class is rated is irrelevant.  All that matters is what is available when you pick.  QB 5 next year at 10 might be worse than QB1 this year at 6.

Look at this past year.  Lawrance and Wilson seem like a lot better prospect then anything we could pick this year but they were not available so it doesn't matter.

In reality last year vs this year looks more like Fields and Jones vs Pickett, Howell, Corral, and Willis.  When you look at like that the classes don't seem that much different.  Maybe I would still take Fields over anyone this year but overall you don't see the gap like you do when you include Lawrance and Wilson.

If you want to wait for the can't miss type of prospect that's fine, but then we need to tank.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tht strategy works best when Jon Gruden is your head coach.

Also assumes you have a high pick every year, which means you suck.

The alternative though is taking a guy and actually trying to coach and develop him rather than just hoping he was already a finished product when you drafted him.

We’re year 3 in consecutive years picking in the top 10. Whatever we’ve been or are doing doesn’t seem to be working.

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1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

2020: Burrow, Tua and Herbert...all were considered can't miss prospects.  Yes, 3 is rare, but at least 2 Qbs nearly every draft class.  I have yet to see the praises sung of Corral and Pickett.  Don't get it twisted, these are the only two that have a shot at #6.  Reach isn't a strong enough word to describe Howell and Willis at #6.  Desperate would be more accurate.

None of those three were can't miss. Burrows was a one year wonder, Tua had HUGE concerns about durability, and Herbert had injury history / leadership questions.  This doesn't mean those criticisms were valid but they were not can't miss prospects.

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, a rookie QB might buy him more time. Sign some retread vet and go 8-9 and you're probably fired. Go 8-9 with a rookie and you can legitimately argue you're on your way to building something.

This is what I can't figure out.

If his goal is to win now, he signs a vet QB, and drafts a LT or some non-QB who he thinks can help win now.  Maybe even one of the DEs.  Maybe trade down.

If he drafts a rookie QB and shows some growth that might buy some time like you said, but that can be really risky.

It almost feels like a QB call would have to come from Tepper, but I could totally be wrong.

 

 

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No thanks.

We already lived through having a franchise QB without an OL and/or defense. When the team had all 3, they went 15-1 and to the Super Bowl. With just the OL, Cam set records his first two seasons.

I'd rather have a competent offensive line with an NFL-quality OC in place before finding any long-term solution at QB.

I'd also rather have a QB that isn't Sam Darnold starting for the Panthers next season.

I just don't think that bringing in a top QB prospect just to change coaching staffs + coordinators the following season does anything to set them up for success. Unless, of course, you want to keep Rhule and understand that the only way he is retained is if he gets lucky on a QB.

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26 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

Exactly. What is easier to get rid of? A QB on a rookie deal or the FA QB you signed for 20m to 30m a year? It’s like this franchise purposely deleted common sense from their memory banks. I’m surprised we even lucked out into drafting Cam

Yeah think of Seattle, even if Russel Wilson was a bust in the 3rd round, it wouldn't have greatly set them back roster wise or cap wise, they could just keep on trying. You gotta take shots at QB's in the draft every once in a while. Grier being our only QB pick since Cam is kind of insane

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tht strategy works best when Jon Gruden is your head coach.

Also assumes you have a high pick every year, which means you suck.

The alternative though is taking a guy and actually trying to coach and develop him rather than just hoping he was already a finished product when you drafted him.

This as Rhule is still leading this team next year.  Lol!!!!!🤣

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