Just randomly saw this

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I hate to be that guy, but that chart stops at 2014.  We all know Cam was an elite player in his prime.  That said, 2021 Cam is probably still better in that situation than Darnold

Probably? 

 

 

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, BrianS said:

This is irrelevant.  Those statistics end in 2014.  Sure, we all know how otherworldly young Cam was.  That has no bearing on today.  It was EIGHT YEARS AGO.

Vast majority of Cam’s rushing TDs came after that chart ended.  Even last year he had his 2nd most rushing TDs and 2nd most first down pickups in a season. 

You could find a chart from 2015-present day and Cam is still going to be statistically dominant on the ground.

greatest short yardage threat/option in NFL history 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

This chart, OP ...

So you're saying he should have been a RB? Hope not.

So you're saying he should still play in 2022? Most people would agree, me included.

So you're saying he should be our starter? Ahh ... they're you are!

[Fox007]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Vast majority of Cam’s rushing TDs came after that chart ended.  Even last year he had his 2nd most rushing TDs and 2nd most first down pickups in a season. 

You could find a chart from 2015-present day and Cam is still going to be statistically dominant on the ground.

greatest short yardage threat/option in NFL history 

Most the people on here don't watch the NFL

[Fox007]

30 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I wonder what the expected yards per run are for a QB in that metric. 

The QBs with 120+ carries are on there

Be interesting to see where Lamar Jackson plots

[t96]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It means that when Cam runs the ball he's elite in both gaining more yard per rus than expected based on league averages and in a complete league of his own in terms of scoring more points per rush than expected based on league averages. 

Note the dates too though, it's 2011-2014 for Cam, basically right in his prime as a runner.

OBVIOUSLY Cam is still in another world compared to Darnold and Rhule is a frigging retard for his comments about them being able to do the same thing. But Cam is also nowhere near as elite as a runner as he was in that timeframe. He's still great and one of the best red zone/short yardage weapons in the league, but just not as insane as this outdated graph shows.

[t96]

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

Vast majority of Cam’s rushing TDs came after that chart ended.  Even last year he had his 2nd most rushing TDs and 2nd most first down pickups in a season. 

You could find a chart from 2015-present day and Cam is still going to be statistically dominant on the ground.

greatest short yardage threat/option in NFL history 

Ok but the chart is specifically focused on rushing yards. I don't really know why it was relevant at all to post this chart. Everyone here already knows Cam is way better than Darnold at running and that Rhule is a fuging idiot but this chart and thread just make no sense. If we had a relevant chart to this year then by all means.

[BrianS]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Vast majority of Cam’s rushing TDs came after that chart ended.  Even last year he had his 2nd most rushing TDs and 2nd most first down pickups in a season. 

You could find a chart from 2015-present day and Cam is still going to be statistically dominant on the ground.

greatest short yardage threat/option in NFL history 

The chart had nothing to do with TD's . . . it was simply about yards over expected.

Statistically dominant?  By what measure?  Once you get past 2015, the most rushing TD's he had in a season while here was six.  Yes, he had 10 rushing TD's for New England last year, but he also equaled a career high in attempts and set a career low in yards per carry while also setting a career low in TD passes.

No one is arguing that Cam was never a great player.  In his prime there was no one like him.  But he's not that guy anymore.  Just like you can't have throwing Cam without running Cam, you can't having running Cam without throwing Cam . . . and throwing Cam is gone.

This doesn't mean he wasn't the best QB on our roster this year.  He was.  If he's here next year, he'll probably be the best QB on our roster then too.

But facts are facts.  The guy was on his couch when 32 could have called him.  Houston was starting a 3rd round rookie for heaven's sake.  The Redskins with Cam's former coach were starting Heinicke - Cam's former backup.  The Saints started Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston!

I love Cam, but he's not that guy anymore. 

 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

Ok but the chart is specifically focused on rushing yards. I don't really know why it was relevant at all to post this chart. Everyone here already knows Cam is way better than Darnold at running and that Rhule is a fuging idiot but this chart and thread just make no sense. If we had a relevant chart to this year then by all means.

well, it was random.  Same PFF guy has a different chart for this season.  Doesn’t include Cam as I guess he didn’t log enough snaps. 
 

seeing where Teddy is and where Sam is….well, that’s Matt Rhule in a nutshell.   Getting worse. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, BrianS said:

The chart had nothing to do with TD's . . . it was simply about yards over expected.

Statistically dominant?  By what measure?  Once you get past 2015, the most rushing TD's he had in a season while here was six.  Yes, he had 10 rushing TD's for New England last year, but he also equaled a career high in attempts and set a career low in yards per carry while also setting a career low in TD passes.

No one is arguing that Cam was never a great player.  In his prime there was no one like him.  But he's not that guy anymore.  Just like you can't have throwing Cam without running Cam, you can't having running Cam without throwing Cam . . . and throwing Cam is gone.

This doesn't mean he wasn't the best QB on our roster this year.  He was.  If he's here next year, he'll probably be the best QB on our roster then too.

But facts are facts.  The guy was on his couch when 32 could have called him.  Houston was starting a 3rd round rookie for heaven's sake.  The Redskins with Cam's former coach were starting Heinicke - Cam's former backup.  The Saints started Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston!

I love Cam, but he's not that guy anymore. 

 

Not arguing Cam is the guy anymore.  He isn’t.  And that’s because of his arm.   Which isn’t coming back.  Neither of which is the current convo.

But Cam is dominant on the ground.  Specifically short yardage.  That’s not an argument for anything.  It just is what it is.  You need one yard today or the last decade....Cam is the best option/threat for the scenario.  And that could land him a gig on a contender if he would accept that minimal yet important role

[Fox007]

32 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, it was random.  

 

S'all you gotta do to befuddle the usuals, almost like it was in the title

Also

Gotta love the side of condescending "man you guys are smart"

Edited January 14, 2022 by Fox007

[Fox007]

This is where that came from btw pretty sick:

https://mfbanalytics.shinyapps.io/RYOE/

Couple people might wanna check it out @KB_fan @CRA @Mr. Scot @LinvilleGorge @rayzor @Zod

Edited January 14, 2022 by Fox007

[Fox007]

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It means that when Cam runs the ball he's elite in both gaining more yard per rus than expected based on league averages and in a complete league of his own in terms of scoring more points per rush than expected based on league averages. 

And yet so many people claim he's stealing RB TDs. So dumb.

Our red zone offense was crazy effective with Cam this year... The issue was getting there.

The red zone is a place I think we've seen a second QB can work depending on the tempo of the game.  If Cam is cool being a backup potentially I hope they bring him back to compete with another veteran FA for the QB spot (or with Darnold).

Ofc instead we signed PJ immediately so uh there's that.