Trade out of 6 or trade away a player instead?

[OneBadCat]

I'd be tempted to trade CMC depending on the offer. But DJ Moore is off the table. Despite his down year he still hit 1000 yards and is legitimately on track to be one of the all time Panther WR's. He's home grown talent and should be a Panther for life in an ideal world.  He's the one WR we can count on.

[jayboogieman]

Trade DJ or Burns. They are probably the only two players on the roster that would get decent draft compensation. No GM would give up anything worthwhile for CMC since he has missed so much time the last 2-3 seasons and has a big contract. Robby won't net anything either since he has a fairly big contract without the production to back it. Darnold, likewise. The Panthers would have to pay teams to take those three with their contracts.

[pdub0702]

7 hours ago, travisura said:

Package CMC and Robby for a 2nd and a 3rd. Gets rid of their contracts and gets us our middle round picks back bada bing bada boom. Now, to find someone willing to take on their contracts...

This would be ideal. We have good backs on the team and DJ is a beast. Solidify the offensive line with the first 3 picks. 

[ForJimmy]

We need a new coach to use CMC correctly and not overuse him. Give him more time in the slot with Hubbard in the backfield and try to extend his shelf life since he is basically untradeable. The player with the most trade value is probably Burns, but I would trade him unless we extend Reddick (which I’m leaning towards rolling with YGM and Burns while using our cap space on OL) Trading down makes the most sense if we get a good offer and stay in the top half of the draft. 

[joemac]

I’d stay at 6, and people might not like this, but I’d trade Burns for another 1st and maybe a 2nd or 3rd. 

[Jon Snow]

36 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I'd be tempted to trade CMC depending on the offer. But DJ Moore is off the table. Despite his down year he still hit 1000 yards and is legitimately on track to be one of the all time Panther WR's. He's home grown talent and should be a Panther for life in an ideal world.  He's the one WR we can count on.

You can thank Robby Anderson for making it difficult to keep DJ. Robby's replacement was drafted but they decided to give him an extension anyway.  Always signing the wrong player is the Panthers way.

[mc52beast]

7 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Trade CMC at all costs.  That gets the mid round picks back and frees up the cap space needed to hang on to Moore.  That's really all we need to do.

Thankfully there will be some moron willing to give up too much for a guy who has played a handful of games in two years.

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Is Matt Rhule still in charge?

That's the big question. I have no faith in Rhule to pick out toilet paper much less decide the future of this franchise. So far he has spent a ridiculous amount of $, a 2nd, 4th and 6th on Sam Darnold and TB5 and we still have nothing at QB except PJ taking up space on our bench when he wouldn't even take up space on someone else's practice squad. We can't block, we can't pass, we won't run, our receivers forgot how to catch, our OC playbook is from Madden pop warner. We're a fugging disgrace. 

[L-TownCat]

I would be very conservative with trades of any kind until this staff is gone.

[glitchh8]

14 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

They're gonna just draft more busts, so I would never give up one of four good players to acquire two more Vernon Butlers or Corn Elders.

But this is exactly how Fitts thinks, two for one, no matter to him the two are lesser talents, only, look mom, two for one, that's what counts.

Trade the 6th for no lower than 12th and draft the best lineman. If no wants to trade go for that top center.

[kungfoodude]

17 hours ago, CRA said:

I’d prefer to draft the best lineman possible at 6 and keep Moore. 

you actually can trade coaches.  I’d prefer that route.  Raiders sent Gruden to Tampa for 2 firsts.

So, I propose we offer up Matt Rhule for a 7th, a 12 pack of White Claws and couple scratch offs. 

Declined.

Scratch offs have potential. Can't let them go.

[Rocky Davis]

Here we thought we'd have a dangerous offense this year with CMC, Robby, DJ, TMJ, and Smith as a dangerous slot receiver.  That never developed because we had traffic cones for an offensive line with Moton as the lone exception.

We extended Robby based on his play in 2020 and he hasn't lived up to expectations at all.  CMC has become glass since signing his huge extension for some reason....just seems really weird.  DJ has been OK this year, but he has regressed from last season as well despite reaching 1K again, he has way more drops and has not blocked nor ran his routes with the urgency needed.  I don't know if this is completely on the O-line and Sam or not, but it just seems weird that these guys haven't met expectations.  Do they all know they are fighting a losing battle with our O-line and QB situation?  Are they disenfranchised about it? 

TMJ and Smith haven't received the playing time I thought they would so it's too early to pass judgement on them, both have shown flashes of being solid players for us. 

Tremble and Hubbard have been pleasant surprises for the most part....Tremble especially and with some good coaching I think Hubbard can improve at the RB position.  He isn't a great RB at catching the ball, but with our WRs and Tremble he probably wouldn't have to be great.

I would try to trade CMC if (and it's a big if) we could get decent value for him.  It frees up a lot of money and  I would hope we could maybe get a 2nd and maybe a 4th for him....may be more like a 3rd and 4th due to the last two years and his contract.  If CMC goes somewhere else and balls out then I absolutely know he packed it in due to our O-line situation....he is trying to extend his career and doesn't want to be ran into the ground by this coaching staff and pathetic situation.

I'd like to keep DJ and the rest of our skill position players with the exception of Darnold and Thomas.  Both of them are expendable, but I do realize that trading Darnold would probably cost more than what the trade is worth.  With Thomas if we could find a FA TE with a little more desire to play an entire game and play until the whistle I would let him walk.  He has had his moments, but he doesn't play hard and is soft IMO.

Keep our 1st round pick and grab the best offensive lineman available.  An elite LT would be great, but any elite offensive lineman with the exception of RT would be welcomed.  I have watched a lot of Christensen at LT and believe he can do the job with more experience and better coaching.  If we can grab that elite LT then shift Christensen over to LG and hopefully we have shored up the left side. 

I wish we had seen more of Brown at RG because preseason film on him was pretty damn good.  I don't know why Brown hasn't been given an opportunity because he mauled people when he played...maybe it is conditioning but my goodness he can't be worse than Miller.   If we had some idea of how he'd perform from some actual game time we might have an idea that the right side of our o-line can be better next year and in the future.

Center is another issue as well.  Elflein looks better at C than anywhere else, but he also has been a liability quite a bit on stunts and being bull rushed.  I don't know if there is a FA Center worth going after or maybe one in the draft, but it's also a position we need help with.

I'd trade Burns to attempt to recoup a late 1st rounder and hopefully a 3rd round pick.  Burns is a very good pass rusher, but he overplays his rushes quite a bit and is a liability in the run game.  Other teams know this so it would take a team who wants him purely as a pass rushing specialist....I don't know if there's a team out there that would do it.  He may only net us a 2nd and 3rd.

I'd let DJax walk.  He's been a better tackler overall this year, but his ceiling is a 2 CB and that is being generous.  Teams have scorched him and I am guessing he thinks he should get 1 CB money....gotta walk away from that.

TL, DR:  Attempt to trade CMC, Darnold, and Burns to ease future cap issues and hopefully recoup some picks in the draft.  Keep our 1st rounder and pick the best Offensive lineman available.  With our other picks wherever we are pick the top Offensive lineman available.  This has got to be fixed to have any kind of hope for next season.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Rocky Davis

[cookinbrak]

Do what @Icegesaid- draft Icky and let he and BC lock that end of the line down. Unless someone offers a poop load for our 1st rd pick.

[SuperBowlBound]

If you trade down - you better not screw up. Rhule has already screwed up taking Brown over Jedrick Wills/Tristan Wirfs & taking Horn over Slater/Parsons is looking really bad to start.

If Rhule has personnel say - then it won't matter if they stay or trade down. He has already proven he doesn't know squat evaluating OL play or offense in general. 

I'd prefer to stay and just take the best damn LT on the board. Don't settle for the second tier of talent.