Ellis Williams (Observer) offense analysis

[musicman]

Idk you can completely change an offense mid season. So for next year, I can see more under center play action plays. 

[Waldo]

34 minutes ago, frankw said:

Everyone was all ready to throw Joe Brady in front of a speeding bus but if you were paying attention you should have already known how this would play out. This putrid offense has been running exactly the way Rhule has wanted it to.

Brady wasn't great but the other options were worse. That was just CYA for Rhule and now we have more confirmation on how bad this staff is at this level. 

[Catsfan69]

What I am seeing here is besides the Oline being awful we aren't putting our QBs in a position to succeed. 

 

Play action Darnold laced them.....

[ladypanther]

5 minutes ago, musicman said:

Idk you can completely change an offense mid season. So for next year, I can see more under center play action plays. 

If you can do it 26% of the time and it works, why can't you use it more?  Instead, the OC takes what is not working and uses it 74% of the time.

[Catsfan69]

3 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

If you can do it 26% of the time and it works, why can't you use it more?  Instead, the OC takes what is not working and uses it 74% of the time.

A great coach plays to the strengths of the QB.

If Darnold and historically Cam kill with play action then run fng play action.

[Catsfan69]

This should be the final nail.

 

Thanks for showing us this Ladypanther.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

Still dont think we're set outside.  Brady is a nice little player, but hes not a franchise LT.  I think Rhule is actually correct here, and hes better suited for LG, with a mauler beside him like Neal or the guy from Georgia. 

And that's the part that sucks because if we had a coach with any common sense, we would have seen Brady at LT for at least half the season and we would know whether or not he should be playing there or be shifted inside. It's week 18, he's started 2 weeks and been our best LT of the season by far and we still have a huge question mark on how to proceed this offseason. If we take Neal or Cross, then we don't pick again until the 4th. More holes we cant possibly fill and BC is forced to learn a new position which isn't going to be easy. And Deonte Brown might actually be good, he sure as hell cant be worse than Miller, but we're going to use him on special teams, maybe. Why do we make poo harder than it has to be? 

[joemac]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

And that's the part that sucks because if we had a coach with any common sense, we would have seen Brady at LT for at least half the season and we would know whether or not he should be playing there or be shifted inside. It's week 18, he's started 2 weeks and been our best LT of the season by far and we still have a huge question mark on how to proceed this offseason. If we take Neal or Cross, then we don't pick again until the 4th. More holes we cant possibly fill and BC is forced to learn a new position which isn't going to be easy. And Deonte Brown might actually be good, he sure as hell cant be worse than Miller, but we're going to use him on special teams, maybe. Why do we make poo harder than it has to be? 

The decision to keep trotting Miller and Jordan out there week after week, and not even giving Brown a damn jersey on gamedays is indefensible to me.  

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

That's why I said it's a lesson to learn. I just don't think he understands any of that stuff so he has to experience it.

After Collins JR changed the way he did QBs. After Carruth he looked at character. Hopefully Tepper GAF. 

I don't think Tepper does.

[Waldo]

Just now, jayboogieman said:

I don't think Tepper does.

Then it's time to walk away when this is confirmed IMO. What's the point? Anyone that has been in a really bad relationship knows how good being free from that wasted life really is. 

Keeping Rhule another year isn't enough confirmation of that, it's just a dumb move by someone that doesn't know what they are doing.

[jayboogieman]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Then it's time to walk away when this is confirmed IMO. What's the point? Anyone that has been in a really bad relationship knows how good being free from that wasted life really is. 

Keeping Rhule another year isn't enough confirmation of that, it's just a dumb move by someone that doesn't know what they are doing.

To be fair, I don't think JR ever cared either. Both seem to be happy or at least content as long as the team is making them money.

[Proudiddy]

I know I've been beating this dead horse to death but:

This next sequence shows back-to-back plays where the Panthers need an intermediate completion but cannot execute because of all the routes run are short. The Saints know Darnold wants the ball out quickly and therefore sit on every underneath route with no fear of getting beat deep.

That is exactly what I've been saying the entire season and it is 100% completely indicative of why this staff is incompetent.  In fact, I just mentioned it in a thread yesterday...  how we saw the same garbage with Teddy, Cam, and Sam, and especially with Teddy because he had an actual solid OL and we still would run 2 yards drags on 3rd or 4th down and long.  And again, the way this offense is run, it would make the greatest QBs ever look putrid, even in their prime.  I keep screaming to the mountaintops, that Cam can still be a Top 15 QB, but this offense made him look like he shouldn't even be in a uniform against Miami.  This offense did the same thing to Teddy who is a solid middling to bottom-third starter in the league, and Sam, who is an NFL player, albeit a backup at best.  It's not the players, it's the coaches...  and for people who haven't watched it and just looked at stats, there's no way to explain that to them, but again, I have never seen anything so dysfunctional in all my years of being in and around the game of football.  It is completely unacceptable, and being that we're going on 2 years of it now, it's clear Tepper doesn't give a poo about winning.  You don't let this stuff continue at record levels of incompetence if you did.  poo has nothing to do with a process because a process implies steps are being made to improve, and we have actually gotten worse - much worse.  And again, it is all because Rhule is in over his head and has no idea what he's doing, but refuses to seek out someone who does because he doesn't want his ego threatened...  it is a complete recipe for continued and utter disaster and we're already seeing the results.

[Snake]

Rhule will make sure it's one of his guys calling the offense. That way he can't be replaced mid season. 

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

This also very well could be true, and I can see the argument being made for rolling with Brady at LT, possibly trading down some, and taking the top interior o linemen available in the middle of the first.  Perhaps the C from Iowa.  I am not up to speed much on the top college G prospects. 

I was actually thinking the same thing you posted. Some people have said that trading down could actually get a decent 1st round pick and solid 2nd round pick as well. This is suppose to be a strong year for o-lineman in the draft. If we could draft two solid starters to pair with Moton and Christensen we'd be a lot better heading into 2022. And...if Deonte Brown could perform at RG, we could have the best o-line in the NFC South for the next 3-4 years. 

Here's a link with a breakdown of the the top 2022 draft prospects. Four lineman, including the IOWA center you mentioned (Tyler Linderbaum) are expected to go in the top 10.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by SCO96