Shocking passing statistics for the 2021 Panthers.

[L-TownCat]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Ahh. Thought it was a shot at rhules amazing roster building moves lol. 

Those aren’t any better.

 I do think we have some nice pieces that can be built around.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, L-TownCat said:

Those aren’t any better.

 I do think we have some nice pieces that can be built around.

We do. This roster is not nearly as bad as it's played for the last ~3 months... That's on coaching. 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

People bring up those years, but this 2021 team was really supposed to be better considering the talent. And, the thing is, I'm not sure that this team beats either one of those teams. It would be at least questionable. That speaks to Matt Rhule.

I don't agree with that statement at all.  I think this is where folks have gotten themselves the most upset thinking this team was better. 

This team is much worse than last years and it was going to be.  Mostly due to coaching but also a lack of talent.  This team needs a purge at just about every offensive position.  You have one olineman and a few young contributors worth keeping. I would trade everyone else for draft picks and start the fug over.

It's what should have been done from that start.

[TheSpecialJuan]

3 hours ago, SCO96 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/car

The Panther passing game has been so anemic this year that:

1) Our 3rd leading receiver in terms of receptions (37) and yardage (343) is Christian McCaffrey; and he's only played in 7 games this season.

2) Our #2 WR is Robbie Anderson. He's played in all 16 games and only has 46 receptions and 469 yards.

3) Brandon Zylstra is our 3rd leading WR (18/250/1 TD) and his 18 receptions tie him with Ian Thomas and Tommy Tremble for 6th place on the team. Zylstra has been more productive than our 2nd round draft pick Terrace Marshall Jr. (17/138/0). Yesterday, Bengal rookie Ja'marr Chase had more yards in one game than our #3 and #4 WR's have in an entire season.

4) Darnold, Newton, and Walker have a combined of 12 TD passes on the year. Forty-four year old Tom Brady has more than 3x that many (40).

 

Even with a poor oline, the offense shouldn't be this bad. I can't see things improving next year unless some drastic changes are made.

Good Christ ! 

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't agree with that statement at all.  I think this is where folks have gotten themselves the most upset thinking this team was better. 

This team is much worse than last years and it was going to be.  Mostly due to coaching but also a lack of talent.  This team needs a purge at just about every offensive position.  You have one olineman and a few young contributors worth keeping. I would trade everyone else for draft picks and start the fug over.

It's what should have been done from that start.

I can respect that. But, I do think that it's especially easy after the fact, after all is said and done, to say that we aren't talented after the coaching clusterfug that has gone on this season. 

Though not perfect, we've seen what D.J. Moore can do. We've seen Robby Anderson flirt with 1000 yard seasons and surpass them. Believe it or not, TMJ came into this league talented (and I dare say had he gone to New Orleans, or anywhere other than here, he'd have markedly more productivity), Shi Smith showed enough in college and preseason to be moderately excited about, and even Tremble came in with some higher expectations from national talking heads. For goodness sake, CMC was the consensus number one pick in fantasy football for a reason, and even though Chuba hadn't (hasn't) shown the hands we'd like, he has shown some ability to make tough runs and is a low-key homerun threat. We'd even seen Matt Rhule and company get more out of a team than anyone expected in 2020. 

Now, if you or anyone is telling me that you saw such a retrogression coming of players minus an ill-conceived O-line, I'll think you're lying. If you tell me that you had serious questions about the O-line even up to the point of destroying any offensive success then that's a little more believable. But, I still don't think anyone saw the sum of all fears as a realistic thing. The O-line sucks, the coaching sucks, CMC is hurt again and Robby (especially) got the dropsies, Rhule refuses to play rookies for any substantive amount, much less get the in the flow of the offense, Brady gets fired...If you or anyone saw all that, then that's some Nostradamus-level sh¡t right there. 

And, honestly, I still think our offense should be better than it is, but it will never get there with the lack of coaching on display this year, and stocking up an O-line at a garage sale. We STILL don't know the upside of our offense (or the defense). 

Defensively, we have demonstrably more talent, and I don't think there's any question to that, but the injury bug hasn't been kind, and, again, I can't say that we've gotten the best out of what we do have, but I know we're a long way from bottom-barrel players here.

I could be wrong, but, on paper at least, we would be at least .500 with coaching that's worth a damn, and that's with a bad O-line. 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by top dawg

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I can respect that. But, I do think that it's especially easy after the fact, after all is said and done, to say that we aren't talented after the coaching clusterfug that has gone on this season. 

Though not perfect, we've seen what D.J. Moore can do. We've seen Robby Anderson flirt with 1000 yard seasons and surpass them. Believe it or not, TMJ came into this league talented (and I dare say had he gone to New Orleans, or anywhere other than here, he'd have markedly more productivity), Shi Smith showed enough in college and preseason to be moderately excited about, and even Tremble came in with some higher expectations from national talking heads. For goodness sake, CMC was the consensus number one pick in fantasy football for a reason, and even though Chuba hadn't (hasn't) shown the hands we'd like, he has shown some ability to make tough runs and is a low-key homerun threat. We'd even seen Matt Rhule and company get more out of a team than anyone expected in 2020. 

Now, if you or anyone is telling me that you saw such a retrogression coming of players minus an ill-conceived O-line, I'll think you're lying. If you tell me that you had serious questions about the O-line even up to the point of destroying any offensive success then that's a little more believable. But, I still don't think anyone saw the sum of all fears as a realistic thing. The O-line sucks, the coaching sucks, CMC is hurt again and Robby (especially) got the dropsies, Rhule refuses to play rookies for any substantive amount, much less get the in the flow of the offense, Brady gets fired...If you or anyone saw all that, then that's some Nostradamus-level sh¡t right there. 

And, honestly, I still think our offense should be better than it is, but it will never get there with the lack of coaching on display this year, and stocking up an O-line at a garage sale. We STILL don't know the upside of our offense (or the defense). 

Defensively, we have demonstrably more talent, and I don't think there's any question to that, but the injury bug hasn't been kind, and, again, I can't say that we've gotten the best out of what we do have, but I know we're a long way from bottom-barrel players here.

I could be wrong, but, on paper at least, we would be at least .500 with coaching that's worth a damn, and that's with a bad O-line. 

 

 

All that this just paper tigers and fan dreams. 

Nothing about this team suggested that anything they did last season and in the draft suggested this team would be any better than what we've witnessed.  It's not retrospect to hope for overarching but to expect anything more is a foolish endeavor. This team has young guys whi shown potential sure. But potential will always be potential until it's realized.  This team is years away from being a serious contender and that's not debatable. 

 

 

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

All that this just paper tigers and fan dreams. 

Nothing about this team suggested that anything they did last season and in the draft suggested this team would be any better than what we've witnessed.  It's not retrospect to hope for overarching but to expect anything more is a foolish endeavor. This team has young guys whi shown potential sure. But potential will always be potential until it's realized.  This team is years away from being a serious contender and that's not debatable. 

 

 

"Contender?" Maybe.  Competitive? Should've been this year.  

I disagree wholeheartedly about showing "anything."

[top dawg]

Our FO made the wrong personnel decisions on QB, especially as it pertains to draft capital, and was just foolish about the O-line. Unfortunately the draft capital is gone. There are opportunity costs we will never get back. Indirectly included in that is our QB situation, but I KNOW we can field a better line for next year. 

If we could get Jim Harbaugh in here, you'd see a marked change.

Edited January 3, 2022 by top dawg

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

"Contender?" Maybe.  Competitive? Should've been this year.  

I disagree wholeheartedly about showing "anything."

This team is no where near competitive.  They do not have near enough starting talent not to mention depth. They have no coaching, no identity and no accountability.  

The goal is to be regular contenders not occasional ones. 

[top dawg]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

This team is no where near competitive.  They do not have near enough starting talent not to mention depth. They have no coaching, no identity and no accountability.  

The goal is to be regular contenders not occasional ones. 

Obviously, but a coach who knows what he's doing can get us competitive by 2023. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't agree with that statement at all.  I think this is where folks have gotten themselves the most upset thinking this team was better. 

This team is much worse than last years and it was going to be.  Mostly due to coaching but also a lack of talent.  This team needs a purge at just about every offensive position.  You have one olineman and a few young contributors worth keeping. I would trade everyone else for draft picks and start the fug over.

It's what should have been done from that start.

You mean much worse because Teddy > Sam and QB play is that important? 

rest of the roster isn’t worse overall .  Defensive talent is clearly better.   By a big margin.  We still have the #2 ranked D despite literally no offense.   Which is just an amazing feat in reality.   We took at a hit at the #3 WR spot.  But overall, it’s a better roster minus how important QB is.  Overall O is about a push after you acknowledge the #3 WR spot and excluding QB.

Teddy was always better than Sam.  Sam alone was going to make us much worse. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, top dawg said:

Obviously, but a coach who knows what he's doing can get us competitive by 2023. 

Competitive is what we occasionally are if the stars align and we stumble upon a qb by sucking really bad.

I want a team that is in the playoffs every damn season.  Don't you as a fan want more than the occasional competitive season? I certainly am sick and tired of the one hit wonders. 

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

This team is no where near competitive.  They do not have near enough starting talent not to mention depth. They have no coaching, no identity and no accountability.  

The goal is to be regular contenders not occasional ones. 

I think this roster, with some good FA and draft acquisitions, can be competitive as it was early this year.  Not saying playoffs, but I think we at least could start to build something.  Do need a new QB for anything consistent tho, but even a stopgap vet FA (assuming a couple guard upgrades heh) could keep us competitive imo.

With a different fuging coaching staff anyway. This one is done.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Competitive is what we occasionally are if the stars align and we stumble upon a qb by sucking really bad.

I want a team that is in the playoffs every damn season.  Don't you as a fan want more than the occasional competitive season? I certainly am sick and tired of the one hit wonders. 

To be perennial contenders is the goal, obviously. We want to be in that top echelon of franchises. But, as you noted yourself, we're a ways from there. After this season, just being competitive seems like a premium, and we certainly have to meet the one standard before getting to the other. 

I mean, we have guys actually believing that Alabama can beat us, much less the Jags, Giants, Jets and Lions of the league. 

We got beat by a Giants team with third team receivers and RBs. The WFT game was almost as bad. Hell, we let a Falcons team beat us with third stringers and a TE. We let a dolphins team drag us with no RB and a rookie WR. There's no excuse. That speaks to coaching, not a lack of talent.

Edited January 3, 2022 by top dawg