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[MHS831]

It seems that the Panthers are likely to be picking at #6, with the slight possibility that there is potential fluctuation that could have them ranging from about 5 to 8--but #6 seems rather probable.  More likely if we lose, very possible if we win.

The draft trade value chart has the #6 pick at 1600 points.  Some say take the BPA, others say trade down and add a second rounder.

For your information, the #13 pick (1150) should also have the #45 pick (450). 

What would you do?

[ForJimmy]

My dream scenario would be trading down to acquire a 2nd while still landing Tyler L from Iowa. Then we could grab Howell/Strong in the 2nd. This gives us a young talented QB plus a OL core of BC, TL, and TM. Grab a vet G in FA plus late round draft pick and our line should be much better. 

[Martin]

I wouldn’t take that. The loss in quality in the player you get moving from 6 to 13 is too big (just my opinion), and a mid second rounder is not enough to make up for it. I love the idea of having another first/early second, but I don’t know if we can get it.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

It seems that the Panthers are likely to be picking at #6, with the slight possibility that there is potential fluctuation that could have them ranging from about 5 to 8--but #6 seems rather probable.  More likely if we lose, very possible if we win.

The draft trade value chart has the #6 pick at 1600 points.  Some say take the BPA, others say trade down and add a second rounder.

For your information, the #13 pick (1150) should also have the #45 pick (450). 

What would you do?

Taking the "BPA" is the exact reason we are where we are in regards to the oline.  We have tried to be cute for too many years in building the line.  Its past time to spend a first on a lineman

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

It seems that the Panthers are likely to be picking at #6, with the slight possibility that there is potential fluctuation that could have them ranging from about 5 to 8--but #6 seems rather probable.  More likely if we lose, very possible if we win.

The draft trade value chart has the #6 pick at 1600 points.  Some say take the BPA, others say trade down and add a second rounder.

For your information, the #13 pick (1150) should also have the #45 pick (450). 

What would you do?

Stay put and get a sure thing at LT. 

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

.It seems that the Panthers are likely to be picking at #6, with the slight possibility that there is potential fluctuation that could have them ranging from about 5 to 8--but #6 seems rather probable.  More likely if we lose, very possible if we win.

The draft trade value chart has the #6 pick at 1600 points.  Some say take the BPA, others say trade down and add a second rounder.

For your information, the #13 pick (1150) should also have the #45 pick (450). 

What would you do?

Tough call.  There are at least 4 teams that may be interested in a QB and all pick in the 9-16 range (WFT, Den, Pitt, NO).  If Pitt wants Pickett, and they believe there might be a bidding war, we may be able to get 15, 45, and 79.  If so, I grab the Iowa center, a G in the second, and an DE or LB in the 3rd.  Build the trenches and continue to tank next year. Then grab a QB in 2023.

[MHS831]

19 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Stay put and get a sure thing at LT. 

If Neal is there, I am all in.  I am looking into Cross right now--if he is legit, we are very fortunate.  Once we get 2 bookend OTs, the rest (Christensen, Brown, etc. and some free agent OL would solidify the OL.

I would not mind seeing Mariota brought in on a 1-year prove it deal.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, MHS831 said:

If Neal is there, I am all in.  I am looking into Cross right now--if he is legit, we are very fortunate.  Once we get 2 bookend OTs, the rest (Christensen, Brown, etc. and some free agent OL would solidify the OL.

I would not mind seeing Mariota brought in on a 1-year prove it deal.

I went down his rabbit hole last week.  He is uber agressive.  Plays with a really mean streak.  Has a good frame and has already gained 20 lbs since going to college.  His knock that I see is his frame isnt big enough yet to be totally effective but most people think his frame is big enough to add another 20.  Big athletic dude that is angry.  I like

[AU-panther]

3 hours ago, Martin said:

I wouldn’t take that. The loss in quality in the player you get moving from 6 to 13 is too big (just my opinion), and a mid second rounder is not enough to make up for it. I love the idea of having another first/early second, but I don’t know if we can get it.

That is the same thing people said about staying put and taking Brown instead of trading back and drafting someone like Wirfs.  Fans always think there is some talent cliff that just so happens to be at the exact spot they are picking.

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Taking the "BPA" is the exact reason we are where we are in regard to the oline.  We have tried to be cute for too many years in building the line.  It's past time to spend a first on a lineman

BPA doesn't work for QBs or OTs (specifically ones that might can play LT), they are almost always overdrafted.

 

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Stay put and get a sure thing at LT. 

There is no such thing as a sure thing in drafting, look at Matt Kalil and Greg Robinson.  

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

That is the same thing people said about staying put and taking Brown instead of trading back and drafting someone like Wirfs.  Fans always think there is some talent cliff that just so happens to be at the exact spot they are picking.

BPA doesn't work for QBs or OTs (specifically ones that might can play LT), they are almost always overdrafted.

 

There is no such thing as a sure thing in drafting, look at Matt Kalil and Greg Robinson.  

The more you drop back in the draft order the further from a sure thing you will get.

[AU-panther]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The more you drop back in the draft order the further from a sure thing you will get.

but you get multiple chances

so what's better over time?

an 85%chance of a good player 

or

a 70% chance of a good player + a 35% chance of a good player

and yes I made those numbers up for illustration purposes, but based on the current trade value chart the stats tend to favor trading down.

 

 

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

but you get multiple chances

so what's better over time?

an 85%chance of a good player 

or

a 70% chance of a good player + a 35% chance of a good player

and yes I made those numbers up for illustration purposes, but based on the current trade value chart the stats tend to favor trading down.

 

 

Only if it's a few slots and ONLY if the LTs haven't flown off the board.  If 1-2 LTs are already gone, screw trading back.

[mrcompletely11]

43 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

That is the same thing people said about staying put and taking Brown instead of trading back and drafting someone like Wirfs.  Fans always think there is some talent cliff that just so happens to be at the exact spot they are picking.

BPA doesn't work for QBs or OTs (specifically ones that might can play LT), they are almost always overdrafted.

 

There is no such thing as a sure thing in drafting, look at Matt Kalil and Greg Robinson.  

That simply isnt the case for the last 2 years.  The tackles taken high so far have been aces.

 

Matt Kalil got injured and yeah Robinson was a bust.  But that was close to 10 years ago.  Tackles on the whole tend to hold their value at the top of the draft

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Only if it's a few slots and ONLY if the LTs haven't flown off the board.  If 1-2 LTs are already gone, screw trading back.

Their are 3 top end LT, one all world center and one all world versatile lineman.  If we want to upgrade we will have choices on top of choices at pick 6