Sam Darnold can’t throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, onmyown said:

The problem with this is the oline statistically ranks as the worst in the league…in basically all measures. Dead last. An average game here or there out of 17 is not a consistent trend…the statistics tell you what the consistent trends are and it’s not pretty.

Moving out to all other seasons in the past 2 decades, again, the oline is in the bottom 10. That’s bottom 10 out of almost 650 olines for every team for 20 years. I mean 15 sacks, most under 2.5 seconds (average time to throw), often far less, in two games is really unheard of at this level.

That is just insane to think about.

Weak OL needs good coaching and playcalling.  We have a bad OL and bad coaching/play calling.  And bad QB play.  

[WOW!!]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

OL does suck. 

But if it is all the OL and not coaching (lack thereof)…..why does the OL manage to allow somewhat respectable offense early and then get blown up after they get a chance to look at our whack game plans? Check the first quarter vs 3rd.  Same thing each week. 

and why does the OL offense work every time Rhule debuts a new QB? And then once he keeps putting the same guy out there it turns to poo.

if it is all OL and not also coaching….you wouldn’t see the clear discrepancies 

Only Discrepancies I see is (depending on the team) they take a half or more to figure out how our game plan works with this horrible Oline then just stop our run game and blitz the poo out of us.. 

The 1st 3 games we had a healthy CMC so the dinking and dunking was a effective offense... When you didn't have CMC you can blitz the poo out of us with no fear CMC breaking a short pass for 60 yards...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaCh01.htm

Now that you mentioned it and I looked it up most of the games you're talking about and we had a new starting QB.. Cmac was playing... So there is your answer..

The Oline is terrible unless CMAC is fully healthy.. No matter who the QB is team figured out they can blitz the poo out of us and best the Oline unless Cmac is playing..

Lol

[WOW!!]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not a single blitz. Simple straight up four man rushes on every snap.

That's the story they didn't even try to blitz because they knew they weren't going to get there.. Teams know they are going to get a 2 free rushers so they come with the blitz every 3rd down no matter the down and distance..

[WOW!!]

30 minutes ago, CRA said:

Weak OL needs good coaching and playcalling.  We have a bad OL and bad coaching/play calling.  And bad QB play.  

I can agree but is it the chicken or the egg situation??

At this point.. If the Coach doesn't change and The QB'S aren't changing what can be changed in this situation?? The horrible Oline..

[CRA]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Only Discrepancies I see is (depending on the team) they take a half or more to figure out how our game plan works with this horrible Oline then just stop our run game and blitz the poo out of us.. 

The 1st 3 games we had a healthy CMC so the dinking and dunking was a effective offense... When you didn't have CMC you can blitz the poo out of us with no fear CMC breaking a short pass for 60 yards...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaCh01.htm

Now that you mentioned it and I looked it up most of the games you're talking about and we had a new starting QB.. Cmac was playing... So there is your answer..

The Oline is terrible unless CMAC is fully healthy.. No matter who the QB is team figured out they can blitz the poo out of us and best the Oline unless Cmac is playing..

Lol

I mean, you basically acknowledge my point in your first paragraph.  A legit NFL staff is able to mitigate the impact of how bad the OL is throughout a game.    This staff hangs them out to try. 

it’s been discussed early this season back when Joe Brady was fired that this staff isn’t able to scheme and gameplan at this level.  That shows as the season goes along and in each game. 

Rhule and company are playing checkers and that gets a bad OL heavily exploited as a game goes along.   

[CRA]

Just now, WOW!! said:

I can agree but is it the chicken or the egg situation??

At this point.. If the Coach doesn't change and The QB'S aren't changing what can be changed in this situation?? The horrible Oline..

We should get rid of the chicken and the egg.  I still see no reason Matt Rhule should get a year 3.  

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean, you basically acknowledge my point in your first paragraph.  A legit NFL staff is able to mitigate the impact of how bad the OL is throughout a game.    This staff hangs them out to try. 

it’s been discussed early this season back when Joe Brady was fired that this staff isn’t able to scheme and gameplan at this level.  That shows as the season goes along and in each game. 

Rhule and company are playing checkers and that gets a bad OL heavily exploited as a game goes along.   

How are you going to scheme not having more then .2 seconds to throw the ball?? Without a Cmac, Kamara, Terek Hill or any other dynamic weapon..

Let's also remember both WR have drop issues and RB aren't great with there hands either..

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

We should get rid of the chicken and the egg.  I still see no reason Matt Rhule should get a year 3.  

We should and will are 2 different things. 

But it still doesn't change how bad this Oline is... And you for some strange reason actually can't see how bad they really are..

[Sam the Cat]

Darnold is David Carr incarnate....maybe you could argue in hindsight that he always had journeyman type skills to begin with... ut what he is now, whatever skills he had have broke!  

Panther oline is historically  bad.  Coaching is not far behind.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

yes the OL sucks.  The one Matt Rhule put together. 

But Sam sucks. Which makes the OL look even worse.  

and our offensive gameplans and playcalls suck.  Which makes the OL look even worse. 
 

I think you nailed it.

[mav1234]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Weak OL needs good coaching and playcalling.  We have a bad OL and bad coaching/play calling.  And bad QB play.  

Offenses are often synergistic.... The reverse us happening for us. The whole is even worse than the sum of its shitty parts.

[pantherj]

The problem with Sam is that he can't make good throws deep, and he generally screws up any difficult pass. So we face defenses that sit on shorter routes and they start getting pass defections. At that point we don't have an answer unless we can ram the run down their throat. Things are over as soon as we're down by too much and have to throw deeper passes, and then come the INTs from that useless dope Sam. He's been a loser his entire career, and now we owe him 18 million dollars.

Edited January 3, 2022 by pantherj

[cookinbrak]

Can't run. Can't pass. Can't make adjustments to the other team. We need new hot dog vendors.

[Rubi]

The biggest problem is Tepper IMO

he hired the coach because the coach reminded Tepper of himself. A sloppy pot belly guy who has crumbs and mustard stains on his shirt. 

this coach then thinks he’s good enough to fix Darnold. 
 

Darnold has every physical tool needed to succeed. Big arm, can move, size etc. but the guy can’t process the game. He’s in fear mode as soon as the ball is snapped. 
 

This franchise is being run into the ground