Sam Howell declares for the draft

[L-TownCat]

Tar Heel fan here, and I just don’t see it.  He looked fine in college.  I don’t think his play will translate to the league.  The last Carolina QB to have a “successful” NFL career was Ronald Curry and he switched to WR.

[Wanderlai]

I wouldn’t mind drafting him...if we can trade down and still pick him up. There is always a rush for QBs though. Somehow I’m guessing Rhule won’t draft a QB. He will have to double down on Sam. 

[ladypanther]

No QB until we get an Oline.

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, Wanderlai said:

I wouldn’t mind drafting him...if we can trade down and still pick him up. There is always a rush for QBs though. Somehow I’m guessing Rhule won’t draft a QB. He will have to double down on Sam. 

The fear is that we somehow take a can't miss situation in this top 6 pick and fumble it. Taking a QB is fumbling it.

There are elite OL and potentially DE(highly unlikely to drop) options available. 

[Growl]

38 minutes ago, T-Wazzle said:

If we're picking 10th or 11th-ish, then maybe.  Top 6?  F'n no.

wow what a bad take

[CmC2k]

If a new staff comes in and thinks he can be a franchise QB then yes take him. I have no faith in Rhule to evaluate QB's.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Become a decent starting QB in the NFL. 

Fair enough but at pick #6 I want to shoot a little higher

Edited January 2, 2022 by mrcompletely11

[L-TownCat]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Fair enough but at pick #6 I want to shoot a little higher

Playing Devil’s advocate, because of the rookie scale, teams can be a little more open to risk. I don’t want him at all, but the “cost” is relatively low and the reward (potentially) high.

The only thing the Panthers should be allowed to do for the next 2 years is spend all our picks and anybody else’s that’ll let us on OLine.  And then draft some oline.  Only THEN should you draft more oline.  After drafting oline.

… draft oline.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

He probably has the second highest floor but I agree his ceiling might be limited. But, I wasn't a big fan of Burrow or Jones either and they seem to being doing well. I would say he is in that "class" of potential starter. Maybe without the obvious intangibles edge for Burrow.

I don't think there are any of these QB's that are remotely safe choices. Hence why I keep saying late first is about when I would start looking at any of them. I realize we probably get at least two in the top 15 drafted, so we will see what happens.

Burrow is playing like one of the best QBs in the league this year so far, I would happily take that "class" of starter.

Fans get caught up in this idea of "floor" and "ceiling", Tom Brady could be in the draft and half this fan base would say his "ceiling" is too low.

All things being equal everybody wants the bigger arm or better mobility but there is another aspect of "ceiling" that is hard to define.  What does that QB do on 3rd and long when his first read is covered, does he automatically know where his second read is going to come open?  It's so hard to quantify a QB's thinking process, hence the reason QB evaluation is so difficult.

Personally, I feel better about Pickett and Howell, Corrall and Willis make me more nervous.  Also, I would feel better about trading down and drafting one.  That extra pick would help mitigate the risk somewhat.  For example, I might take Howell and a 2nd over Pickett at 8.

Having that 2nd would really be good right now, you could stay put and take a LT and then try and package the 2nd to move back into the back half of the first round if you were determined to take a QB.

 

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Playing Devil’s advocate, because of the rookie scale, teams can be a little more open to risk. I don’t want him at all, but the “cost” is relatively low and the reward (potentially) high.

The only thing the Panthers should be allowed to do for the next 2 years is spend all our picks and anybody else’s that’ll let us on OLine.  And then draft some oline.  Only THEN should you draft more oline.  After drafting oline.

… draft oline.

Sure but in theory there is top tier talent in the 6/7 range and normally it falls off a cliff past pick 10 or so.   So value wise it would be much wiser to pick the oline instead of "reaching" for a qb just because he is cheap.  I also seriously seriously doubt that Howell is #1 on their board.  

 

Again I dont know if the corrall injury helps or hurts the value of our position.  I just know that we most certainly will be in striking distance of the tier 1 line talent and it would be foolish to walk away from that simply in the name of trying to recoup some of our picks due to a bad trade

[T-Wazzle]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

wow what a bad take

I'm saying if they insist on a qb.

I don't want them to draft a qb at all, o-line all the way.   Preferably after trading down.

But these are Matt Ruhle's Panthers we're talking about. 

[Growl]

6 minutes ago, T-Wazzle said:

I'm saying if they insist on a qb.

I don't want them to draft a qb at all, o-line all the way.   Preferably after trading down.

But these are Matt Ruhle's Panthers we're talking about. 

teams that need QBs don’t pass on QBs.

[cookinbrak]

Howell sucks rod. UNC sucks rod. Take off the Tarheel colored glasses and explain why you think Howell is a good pick.

There were at least 3 ACC QBs that were better than Howell.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

45 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Burrow is playing like one of the best QBs in the league this year so far, I would happily take that "class" of starter.

Slightly ot but he's absolutely playing his ass off.  If we can get anything like that then sign me up.  Thanks to him Cincinnati might get their first playoff win since Super Mario Bros 3 was a hot new video game.