Rebuild What, Exactly?

[Jackie Lee]

44 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

The term, by definition, implies there was something built to begin with.

The 2021 Carolina Panthers have used both "rebuild" and "win now" at various times this season, depending on what the roster happened to look like at the time.

But, look, there is no rebuilding of something that has yet to be built, and the Carolina franchise is nothing more than an as yet unrealized vision for someone to conjure. The team has yet to find a franchise QB, has drafted horribly the past couple years with nothing to show and the future draft looks bleak thanks to offering those picks up for questionable acquisitions. 

The Panthers do not have a single player on this roster that anyone can stand up and say, "This is the guy we need to build this team around." Christian McCaffrey? How do you build a team around a player who might get you 8 healthy games a year? Any of the WRs? How about finding someone who can get them the ball first. And with no draft picks to land a top tier talent any time soon, why keep the coaching staff who essentially demolished what remaining pieces left over by the Hurney architecture. 

Look at it this way, Panther fans, someone has to start from ground zero and there's not a lot worse they can become.

We weren't winning when CMC was getting 2k yards. Titans had Derrick Henry go down who actually makes a huge impact and they've still gone 4-3 in the games he's missed. You could say the Dolphins don't have a centerpiece and they're on a 7-0 run. I'd take a better coach over the best QB in the draft and still having Rhule

[motocross_cat]

Im of the opinion we just need an O line and a decent qb.  Then we can compete.  

The rest of the team is enough.

Edited December 28, 2021 by motocross_cat

[t96]

54 minutes ago, jackson113 said:

At least in the old days we had Smithy highlights to watch. We don't have a highlight player on the whole team. ...

We do but he's played like 5 games the last 2 years...

[Baba Yaga]

First thing is first, never build around a damn RB. Second, never give a RB a big contract. Third, never draft a RB in the first round. You can get a good back in the later rounds. This team is a HC, OL, and QB away from making the playoffs. I’m not really worried about the defense 

Edited December 28, 2021 by Baba Yaga

[pantherj]

The worry about the defense is that although it's cheap right now those 1st round picks and pro bowl, or almost made the pro bowl, players are going to want big fat contracts. Well don't have an o-line and we don't have a franchise QB, so spending a lot of money on defense would be insane. Yet Rhule is going to want Fitt to lock up his favorite defensive players, and then we're really going to hurt when we get out asses handed to us and we have a defense that is costing a fortune.

I said all along don't bring in Teddy, and don't bring in Sam. Furthermore don't bring in Minshew Mania or Jimmy G. That isn't the answer to building a SB winning team. You build a SB winning team the way the Coboys have done it. The Cowboys are a threat to win the SB this season because they have a brick wall o-line, franchise QB, weapons, and a good RB. On defense they are cheap and scrappy/opportunistic.   Perfect. We're headed to being the exact opposite of the Cowboys. We'll have a turnstile o-line, terrible QB, an always injured weapon, and an extremely expensive and underachieving defense. That is how you end up being one of the top 5 worst teams in the NFL. We're built 100% incorrectly. The blueprint is idiotic to the point where it seems intentional. Like Rhule is trying to run us into the ground. Just look at our draft pick situation for further evidence. OUR PICKS ARE GONE! This is awful.

[Jackie Lee]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Dolphins coach isn’t very impressive to me. Made some odd calls to close the first half with no points instead of guaranteeing a FG in a 10-3 game where they led because of a pick 6. Also, not to rain on the Dolphins, but their 7-0 streak was Houston, Baltimore, Jets, us, Giants, Jets and NO down 3 tackles and 3 QBs. Baltimore was a quality win by the D, the rest is a cake schedule.

Dolphins D has a lot of talent though, in part due to a lot of draft picks and saving cap when they tanked. 

Yeah and their QB is still growing. But yeah still they beat us and the Giants, the Giants beat us with most their starters out, etc...3 of their losses were by 3 points against. I'm more interested in the fact that the players are actually playing motivated

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We missed our tank opportunity and still spent cap space and picks (trades and losing comp picks) like a drunken sailor and got herpes for the effort.

We loaded up on defense and our defense is trash. The Bucs, who scored ZERO points the game prior, just scored 32 points on us like it was nothing.

The thing that kills me is that we could have had Sam for nothing. Instead we gave away our second and forth for him. That one still stings.

[Thorrez]

We banked on:

*Darnald being serviceable

*CMC holding up

*Defense being legit

*Rhule's coaching being an asset

I can see the argument given our limited options. The really question is if they admit it and fire Rhule...

[Waldo]

We never needed a rebuild, it was just a retool. The fact it isn't working at the end of year 2 is because it was done so poorly. The have spent cap and picks on bad QBs, spent cap on dud FA Olinemen while drafting guys that they decided where not ready to start regardless of the competition and went into Win Now mode when they were 3-0. They obviously are just making it up as they go and change when it suits them. Now it's back to a 5 year or 7 year plan, WTF ever that is in the NFL. It's all BS and incompetence. 

[Jackie Lee]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Agreed. We’ve had no real direction and our last two year’s draft picks have looked very sub par as has almost every FA move. I know, maybe the coaching but you should still see some sparks even with bad coaching. We are in need of a rebuild just without the extra cap and draft picks that other rebuilds have.

Yup all this money on the books for Robby, CMC, Shaq, and Darnold is insane. They are each getting overpaid by like $5m each at least. Chinn has regressed due to playing out of position, he's either getting lost on deep ball coverage or getting tackles that are basically just cleaning up the LB's mistakes. Tepper needs to get his staff their own DBO sign

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, pantherj said:

CMC is our highlight player, but he's not built to run it up the middle all the time. Especially when the opposing team knows exactly what play we're running the entire game. 

When you don't have a franchise QB you need to find one first and foremost. Bringing in a veteran QB triggers the QB limbo loop.

He's just like his father. Great player better suited in open space. These coaches don't know how to use him properly anyway. Trade him to Denver for as much as possible and never look back.

The qb situation is FUBAR.  It will be Sam, PJ and some other worthless turd next season. 

We can only hope whomever is drafted is worth something somewhere on the team. At least leave the next gang something to work with. 

It's a sad state of affairs in Pantherland.

[Cpt slay a ho]

At some point hurney can’t be a scapegoat anymore, Dg step in with the pieces he left behind and got us to a super bowl.

there’s not one person we should build around anyway unless it’s a qb

[CMAC22]

Rhule has ran out of scapegoats!

[PootieNunu]

We had a chance to rebuild and we blew it. 

We have basically picked up 2 players over the past 2 years that have any real impact on the field. Chinn and Reddick. I guess we can add Gilmore to make it 3, but no idea if he or Reddick will even be back.

The rest of the guys are replacement level players and the guys we already had. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by PootieNunu