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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If we drafted Pickett at 7 then IMO this line will be as bad or worse next year.  If we keep getting some other teams scraps for the line then we will just be spinning our wheels.

A 4th/5th round guard is an immediate upgrade over our current guards. There is another thread going on how Miller, Scott, and Daley are looking worse this year than ever. If Rhule is still here whatever rookie OL we pick might struggle due to coaching. If we get a new coach our line Also if we draft OL and roll with Sam our team won’t look much different because he has struggled with time in the pocket…

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

His year was way better than any year Darnold had with less talent around him. When a player is breaking Watson’s ACC stats with Pitt talent around him I take notice. He has also broken several of Marino’s records from Pitt. This past offseason he went to Manning’s camp and got a lot of one on one time with him and has caught fire with what he learned. 42 TDs to 7 INTs in pretty impressive in itself. Burrow also only had one good year put in the work his final season and crushed it. He reminds me of a Burrow-Lite. Here is a mid season comparison of the two. 
 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2022-nfl-draft-is-kenny-pickett-the-next-joe-burrow-examining-the-pittsburgh-qbs-dominant-2021-campaign/amp/

He has just become a smart player with more than enough athletic ability and arm strength. 

It took him 4 years to do that .. What are his stats over his career beyond that 1 season?? We both no the answer is horrible or non existent..

It's like signing a guy who blows up his contract year but was bad most of his career.. You can fall in that 1 year wonder hype if you want.. That is exactly how you get stuck with Baker Mayfield..

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2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

It took him 4 years to do that .. What are his stats over his career beyond that 1 season?? We both no the answer is horrible or non existent..

It's like signing a guy who blows up his contract year but was bad most of his career.. You can fall in that 1 year wonder hype if you want.. That is exactly how you get stuck with Baker Mayfield..

Baker played great through college. 
 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-burrow-1.html

There is Burrow with elite NFL WRs, a NFL OL, and a NFL RB.

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On 12/23/2021 at 8:21 AM, musicman said:

If he doesn't fall to us (which he should), we should drop a few slots (to about 10th or 11th), pick up a 2nd round pick and either take:

Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa (6-3, 290 pounds)

Or even drop a little lower (around 12th-13th) and grab Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State (6-5, 310 pounds) but not if they think we'll miss the chance.

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I don't see them signing DJax and getting the 3rd or 4th round comp pick from him. I hope they keep Luvu, Reddick and Gilmore, even Haynes.

All of this pls

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6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The future of our franchise??? Who are you drafting any player for? Should we just not draft anyone because Rhule might be a lame duck coach??

So you will either force the next coach to work with a QB he might not have chosen.. Because reality is new coaches want their pick at QB not the pervious regime.. Or cut the coaching search to only Coaches that want to work with that QB.. And let's not be foolish and act like The QB position is the same as others.. New coaches come in all the time and work with other position already on the team.. But most coaches who get a new job want their choice of QB... Your doing the Josh Rosen, Clausen, thing all over again.. Instead of letting this staff deal with the mess they have made and not forcing the future choices on the next staff. 

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24 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

This is why we go round in circles. Both are valid arguments. 

Yeah but with the talent in this draft---the OL theory is probably the best. Pickett is IMO by far the best prepared NFL ready QB in this draft,...after him there is a lot of development guys and Pickett himself would benefit from sitting rather than being thrown into the fire right away. He's the most NFL ready I think but that doesn't mean he's actually ready.

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8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

So you will either force the next coach to work with a QB he might not have chosen.. Because reality is new coaches want their pick at QB not the pervious regime.. Or cut the coaching search to only Coaches that want to work with that QB.. And let's not be foolish and act like The QB position is the same as others.. New coaches come in all the time and work with other position already on the team.. But most coaches who get a new job want their choice of QB... Your doing the Josh Rosen, Clausen, thing all over again.. Instead of letting this staff deal with the mess they have made and not forcing the future choices on the next staff. 

Ok so if Rhule gets fired you are all for QB then? 

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8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

So you will either force the next coach to work with a QB he might not have chosen.. Because reality is new coaches want their pick at QB not the pervious regime.. Or cut the coaching search to only Coaches that want to work with that QB.. And let's not be foolish and act like The QB position is the same as others.. New coaches come in all the time and work with other position already on the team.. But most coaches who get a new job want their choice of QB... Your doing the Josh Rosen, Clausen, thing all over again.. Instead of letting this staff deal with the mess they have made and not forcing the future choices on the next staff. 

One of the reasons I want Rhule to go. Frankly I would be surprised if Rhule doesn’t take a rookie QB if he sticks around. But either way I don’t think there is a franchise QB this draft.

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6 minutes ago, Michael G said:

Yeah but with the talent in this draft---the OL theory is probably the best. Pickett is IMO by far the best prepared NFL ready QB in this draft,...after him there is a lot of development guys and Pickett himself would benefit from sitting rather than being thrown into the fire right away. He's the most NFL ready I think but that doesn't mean he's actually ready.

Pickett seems to be a good decision maker. He does the things well that are hard to coach. This draft does have more OL talent it just depends on if we trade down and how we value these QBs. A good QB takes priority over a good OL in the draft for most teams. If we could trade down and snag a top OL and a Strong/Howell in the 2nd. 

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