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New Pod: Joe Brady fired, Matt Rhule’s process, arm length, and what’s next?

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're missing the point.

There's one common denominator to all of these problems. That would be the guy who hired the coaches and had final say on the players.

The problem is Rhule. Better support in either area would just be postponing the inevitable.

I'm not missing any point, it was just a question based on the podcast.  

Yes, both could be considered a weakness, I'm just curious what people considered the bigger weakness of the two.

 

 

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39 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I'm not missing any point, it was just a question based on the podcast.  

Yes, both could be considered a weakness, I'm just curious what people considered the bigger weakness of the two.

That's kinda like having a doctor ask which symptom you want him to treat.

The correct answer is "treat what's causing the symptoms".

Take the line, for example. They were what they were because what Rhule cared about most was versatility, and that's what he got.

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They were what they were because what Rhule cared about most was versatility, and that's what he got.

Yeah, we all know this was the mantra for the Panthers this spring, multiple position versatility.

Whoever prioritized positional versatility over proficiency is the one who should be held accountable for our O-line.  All the problems on offense largely stem from this strategic failure.

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22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's kinda like having a doctor ask which symptom you want him to treat.

The correct answer is "treat what's causing the symptoms".

Take the line, for example. They were what they were because what Rhule cared about most was versatility, and that's what he got.

It was actually a topic somewhat in the podcast, they were discussing how much Brady was to be blamed.  Of course, Rhule is ultimately responsible for both, but it was just a question asking which was his biggest mistep.

Also the versatility crap was a bunch of coach speak.  People are overthinking it.  Someone thought Erving could play LT at a high level and they were wrong.  Someone thought Elflein could play guard at a high level and they were wrong.

They didn't pick a bad LT because they were looking for versatility, they picked a bad LT because they don't know how to evaluate.  During the process they probably appreciate versatility, any coach would but the main reason they signed Erving wasn't because he was versatile, that might have been a bonus in their mind but they signed him because they thought he could play LT.

I get it you want Rhule gone, a lot of us do, but it might not happen.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, AU-panther said:

It was actually a topic somewhat in the podcast, they were discussing how much Brady was to be blamed.  Of course, Rhule is ultimately responsible for both, but it was just a question asking which was his biggest mistep.

Also the versatility crap was a bunch of coach speak.  People are overthinking it.  Someone thought Erving could play LT at a high level and they were wrong.  Someone thought Elflein could play guard at a high level and they were wrong.

They didn't pick a bad LT because they were looking for versatility, they picked a bad LT because they don't know how to evaluate.  During the process they probably appreciate versatility, any coach would but the main reason they signed Erving wasn't because he was versatile, that might have been a bonus in their mind but they signed him because they thought he could play LT.

I get it you want Rhule gone, a lot of us do, but it might not happen.

You make some odd distinctions for the sake of arguing with people.

Rhule putting too much importance on versatility isn't a separate issue from his inability to evaluate linemen, it's part of it.

As to Rhule's fate, most of us expect him to be back. We just don't think he should be.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You make some odd distinctions for the sake of arguing with people.

Rhule putting too much importance on versatility isn't a separate issue from his inability to evaluate linemen, it's part of it.

As to Rhule's fate, most of us expect him to be back. We just don't think he should be.

Do you honestly think that the team would have passed on a comparable cost LT in free agency that they felt was better at playing the one position of LT than Cam Erving because they felt Cam was potentially better at various positions instead of the one position of LT?  The answer is they wouldn't have.

With Elflein they probably did like some of his versatility because on game days most teams only have 7-8 o-lineman active to cover 10 starting and backup spots, because of this all teams value versatility in their o-lineman.

Rhule talking about versatility was mostly coach speak when selling players to the media and fans.  In reality the amount he values it in the actual selection process is probably pretty similar to other coaches.  He just happens to talk about it a lot and naive fans run with it.

Part of the reason he talked about it was there was nothing else to talk about it. 

You couldn't talk about their pro blows? nope 

How about their really high PFF scores?  nope

You could talk about their injury history.  That isn't really a selling point though is it?

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Do you honestly think that the team would have passed on a comparable cost LT in free agency that they felt was better at playing the one position of LT than Cam Erving because they felt Cam was potentially better at various positions instead of the one position of LT?  The answer is they wouldn't have.

With Elflein they probably did like some of his versatility because on game days most teams only have 7-8 o-lineman active to cover 10 starting and backup spots, because of this all teams value versatility in their o-lineman.

Rhule talking about versatility was mostly coach speak when selling players to the media and fans.  In reality the amount he values it in the actual selection process is probably pretty similar to other coaches.  He just happens to talk about it a lot and naive fans run with it.

Part of the reason he talked about it was there was nothing else to talk about it. 

You couldn't talk about their pro blows? nope 

How about their really high PFF scores?  nope

You could talk about their injury history.  That isn't really a selling point though is it?

Erving and Elflein were both day one of free agency so it's not like prospects were dwindling.

They signed the guys they signed, and they did so because they wanted to. Anything else is hypothetical.

 

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11 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Oh wow, "On good authority, the Teddy deal was 100% Rhule, not Hurney. It was almost part of the deal when he was brought on as HC he wanted Teddy".

Jesus Christ, please get rid of this clown now. 

It's always been Rhule. Hurney was nothing more than a yes man in his final season I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

https://www.panthers.com/news/matt-rhule-on-working-from-home-teddy-bridgewater-s-fit-for-offense

https://www.panthers.com/news/teddy-bridgewater-joe-brady-carolina-offseason-program

https://www.panthers.com/news/teddy-bridgewater-leadership-training-camp-matt-rhule

https://www.panthers.com/video/matt-rhule-teddy-bridgewater-praise-around-the-nfl

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12 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Oh wow, "On good authority, the Teddy deal was 100% Rhule, not Hurney. It was almost part of the deal when he was brought on as HC he wanted Teddy".

Jesus Christ, please get rid of this clown now. 

Good god. This is 100% on Tepper. If you're interviewing a HC prospect and he's selling you on Teddy Bridgewater being your franchise QB, you just thank him for his time and wish him luck elsewhere.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Good god. This is 100% on Tepper. If you're interviewing a HC prospect and he's selling you on Teddy Bridgewater being your franchise QB, you just thank him for his time and wish him luck elsewhere.

That would have required Tepper having a clue.

I think we've established that he doesn't.

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