Deviation from the Original Plan.. Is the Reason for this Mess..

[t96]

19 hours ago, CRA said:

We rented Gilmore and desperately brought Cam back in a couple weeks ago.  That is a team thinking they are a playoff team.  Not a rebuild. 

Did you read my whole post?

[TLGPanthersFan]

21 hours ago, HammerinCameron said:

There's 5 games left and were in the thick of the playoff race, and are undefeated in our division and that will continue Sunday. Stop with the doom and gloom bullshit.

Cam had a rating of 125 for Carolina a couple weeks ago, in a Panthers uni - were going to get hot and Cam will save Rhule like he did Rivera.

We're making the playoffs.

LOL

Edited December 8, 2021 by TLGPanthersFan

[Brooklyn 3.0]

21 hours ago, HammerinCameron said:

There's 5 games left and were in the thick of the playoff race, and are undefeated in our division and that will continue Sunday. Stop with the doom and gloom bullshit.

Cam had a rating of 125 for Carolina a couple weeks ago, in a Panthers uni - were going to get hot and Cam will save Rhule like he did Rivera.

We're making the playoffs.

[HammerinCameron]

20 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

It's the guy who said no chance Cam returns .. and thought people who wanted him back were trolling. M*ron.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

21 minutes ago, HammerinCameron said:

It's the guy who said no chance Cam returns .. and thought people who wanted him back were trolling. M*ron.

So ... you've just been lurking then, Mr. 10 posts?

[MechaZain]

19 hours ago, WOW!! said:

The problem with this thinking is Cam wanted to be paid and at that point wasn't willing to be a bridge QB.. So that was a bad situation to be in from the get go..

Then bring in competition and let him hold out if he wants to hardball. They moved aggressively because they thought Teddy was the answer and would be off the market fast.

[WOW!!]

18 hours ago, KSpan said:

Fitzpatrick, Tyrod, Dalton, Trubisky, and Jameis were all signed to 1 year deals this offseason. None of those guys are any kind of long term plan and likely wouldn't do much better, if at all, but at least someone like Trubisky has actually won some games (if they were bent on a reclamation). Any of those guys though do replace Teddy, prevent the Darnold situation, and still send the signal that wilting/failing like that 2020 offense did in crunch time isn't acceptable.

Again though, this whole thing should have been precluded in the first place by not dumping Cam as they did.

When Teddy was signed that was a done deal.  Trading him away was losing a asset on money he is being paid.. So bringing in another QB doesn't fixed the whole paying 2 ppl and still getting the same results...

[KSpan]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

When Teddy was signed that was a done deal.  Trading him away was losing a asset on money he is being paid.. So bringing in another QB doesn't fixed the whole paying 2 ppl and still getting the same results...

It doesn't, but Teddy was a sunk cost and keeping him would have been choosing to destroy any chance of on-field success. It was a lesser-of-two-evils gamble and while the staff unfortunately did not appear to choose wisely with Darnold vs. the other options out there, that still doesn't make getting rid of Teddy the wrong decision.

[KatsAzz]

9 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

When Teddy was signed that was a done deal.  Trading him away was losing a asset on money he is being paid.. So bringing in another QB doesn't fixed the whole paying 2 ppl and still getting the same results...

Hmmm!! Definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

[Icege]

This was literally the point of the thread that I made, but somehow folks thought it was a pro-Teddy thread in spite of explicitly stating at the very beginning that it isn't pro-Teddy.

[WOW!!]

12 hours ago, KatsAzz said:

Hmmm!! Definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Same thing was sticking to the plan and draft a young QB out of this draft.. Trading for Darnold and trading Teddy killed all that..

Be real if we probably have a better record with Teddy and if not we would have a young QB waiting in the wings right now instead of QB purgatory we are in now. 

[WOW!!]

12 hours ago, KSpan said:

It doesn't, but Teddy was a sunk cost and keeping him would have been choosing to destroy any chance of on-field success. It was a lesser-of-two-evils gamble and while the staff unfortunately did not appear to choose wisely with Darnold vs. the other options out there, that still doesn't make getting rid of Teddy the wrong decision.

Keeping him I feel would have guaranteed we drafted a QB this year.. Getting Sam destroyed that option...

And reality is if we'd stayed with the plan we could have had a better record with Teddy and if not Atleast a young QB learning and waiting in the wings to take over..

[WOW!!]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

This was literally the point of the thread that I made, but somehow folks thought it was a pro-Teddy thread in spite of explicitly stating at the very beginning that it isn't pro-Teddy.

Exactly not Pro Teddy.. Its Pro have patience stick to the rebuild and have a better outlook with a bridge QB a young QB and all of our assets..

[KSpan]

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Keeping him I feel would have guaranteed we drafted a QB this year.. Getting Sam destroyed that option...

And reality is if we'd stayed with the plan we could have had a better record with Teddy and if not Atleast a young QB learning and waiting in the wings to take over..

 

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Exactly not Pro Teddy.. Its Pro have patience stick to the rebuild and have a better outlook with a bridge QB a young QB and all of our assets..

I don't know that this staff and/or FO were ever going to draft a QB this year with how the picks fell. Agreed that that may have been the deviation, but disagree that cutting Teddy was deviating.

The fundamental issue here is that they were only out a few million by moving Teddy (bit retained/gained credibility in the process) but then appear to have flopped by trading for Sam (and then signing the 5th year) and giving up draft capital. Booting Teddy exhibits a commitment to winning (even if more of a facade), and bringing in any of those guys I mentioned earlier on a 1 yr deal retains that and the bridge.

Rhule would have killed any credibility he had at the time by trotting out a player again that no one had any kind of confidence in whatsoever. After that 2020 performance, keeping Teddy as a starter would have been an automatic white flag on the season, and there's still no guarantee the staff drafts a QB. They're 2 different things.

Edited December 9, 2021 by KSpan