Deviation from the Original Plan.. Is the Reason for this Mess..

[WOW!!]

Plain and simple.. If your going to rebuild stick to it.. Don't let small success fool you from your original assertion of a situation..

You sign Teddy to a 3 year deal.. He plays you into position for a QB.. Don't let close losses the season before stop you from drafting the future and keeping Teddy as the bridge Qb.. We were in position to succeed in a 3 year rebuild with a strong team young QB sitting and learning and all our assets to improve weak position (Oline, MLB, Safety).. For some reason they thought they were 1 player away and it's going to cost us year of bad mediocre football..

[HammerinCameron]

There's 5 games left and were in the thick of the playoff race, and are undefeated in our division and that will continue Sunday. Stop with the doom and gloom bullshit.

Cam had a rating of 125 for Carolina a couple weeks ago, in a Panthers uni - were going to get hot and Cam will save Rhule like he did Rivera.

We're making the playoffs.

[CRA]

I agree and disagree.  I think Teddy being a vet of the system Carolina was running was hurting egos of a young staff.  I think it is a safe bet that Rhule wasn't running a legit NFL team.  Not how it works across the league.   I think Teddy was viewed as a problem because he was aware that what Rhule/Brady/ etc were doing wasn't how you get it done.   That starts talk. 

So Teddy and Rhule became an impossible marriage.  And Rhule got desperate after that and started making really bad moves.  Offered too much for Stafford given what we were.  We were suppose to be building from the ground up.  Rejected.  As that isn't what Stafford was leaving Detriot for.  Then he wasn't guranteed a QB in the draft.  Watson got in trouble.  Then there was basically only Sam Darnold left as a guy to bring in.  And their desperation caused them to be really dumb.   Signed him.  Then a QB fell.  But taking a QB highlights how desperate and dumb the Darnold move was, on top of how Teddy just went, they just tied up tons of money in two bad QBs and gave away tons draft picks.  So they picked up the 5th to show fake confidence in a poorly handled offseason in regards to the QB spot.  Not wanting to draw even more attention to the QB debacle by drafting a QB after wasting all those draft resources and so much of the cap allocated to scrub QBs they just signed. 

 

[onmyown]

18 minutes ago, HammerinCameron said:

There's 5 games left and were in the thick of the playoff race, and are undefeated in our division and that will continue Sunday. Stop with the doom and gloom bullshit.

Cam had a rating of 125 for Carolina a couple weeks ago, in a Panthers uni - were going to get hot and Cam will save Rhule like he did Rivera.

We're making the playoffs.

wow you people haven’t died out completely yet

more power to you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but you’re wrong.

[HammerinCameron]

3 minutes ago, onmyown said:

wow you people haven’t died out completely yet

more power to you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but you’re wrong.

People who don't think Cam is the future here are wrong.

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, the rebuild talk was just to temper expectations and buy time. Everything we SAID indicated rebuild. Everything we DID indicated these guys thought they could produce a quick turnaround and compete. Now here we are with a cap situation that was setup to be really good looking mediocre at best with a draft class heavily hampered by trading away picks for players that clearly aren't doing much to help us right now.

Honestly, I think Rhule is just a snake oil salesman.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, HammerinCameron said:

People who don't think Cam is the future here are wrong.

well, he isn't.  Because now he is tied to Matt Rhule.  And Matt Rhule isn't going to be successful. 

So I would imagine the next HC will want to actually rebuild this O the correct way.  Which means a young QB, not having the highest RB in the NFL, etc. 

[KatsAzz]

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

I agree and disagree.  I think Teddy being a vet of the system Carolina was running was hurting egos of a young staff.  I think it is a safe bet that Rhule wasn't running a legit NFL team.  Not how it works across the league.   I think Teddy was viewed as a problem because he was aware that what Rhule/Brady/ etc were doing wasn't how you get it done.   That starts talk. 

So Teddy and Rhule became an impossible marriage.  And Rhule got desperate after that and started making really bad moves.  Offered too much for Stafford given what we were.  We were suppose to be building from the ground up.  Rejected.  As that isn't what Stafford was leaving Detriot for.  Then he wasn't guranteed a QB in the draft.  Watson got in trouble.  Then there was basically only Sam Darnold left as a guy to bring in.  And their desperation caused them to be really dumb.   Signed him.  Then a QB fell.  But taking a QB highlights how desperate and dumb the Darnold move was, on top of how Teddy just went, they just tied up tons of money in two bad QBs and gave away tons draft picks.  So they picked up the 5th to show fake confidence in a poorly handled offseason in regards to the QB spot.  Not wanting to draw even more attention to the QB debacle by drafting a QB after wasting all those draft resources and so much of the cap allocated to scrub QBs they just signed. 

 

You sumed the sitution up very nicely. It actually starts with Tepper being a bad judge of coaching talent when he hired Rhule, a college coach that is in over his head.

Letting Teddy go and trying to pull magic out of a bottle by making stupid knee jerk decisions,hoping to have an instant playoff team, instead of going through a normal, safe and sane building process was plain dumb.

It shows me we are dealing with people in this organization from Tepper on down that are not only to  impatient but totally  incompetent compared to  people running the successful NFL teams.

[t96]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, the rebuild talk was just to temper expectations and buy time. Everything we SAID indicated rebuild. Everything we DID indicated these guys thought they could produce a quick turnaround and compete. Now here we are with a cap situation that was setup to be really good looking mediocre at best with a draft class heavily hampered by trading away picks for players that clearly aren't doing much to help us right now.

Honestly, I think Rhule is just a snake oil salesman.

I disagree. There are plenty of moves we've made that have indicated rebuild the past 2 years. Other than QB which is a unique situation we also haven't brought in any high priced FAs which is what teams looking to contend immediately do. The real big issue is that half the moves we're making are for a rebuild and the other half of the moves are to compete/contend now, along with just completely mismanaging the QB position. Our moves conflict with each other and just create a jumbled mess with big holes and then players/cap hits on the team that don't line up with our timeline and also a dearth of draft capital for a team that should be rebuilding. 

 

Also, I actually don't think our roster is that bad, I think it's actually pretty close. D isn't 100% set but it's easily good enough to contend if our offense and QB were better. The offense has been more of a mess than it ever was under Shula (granted he had prime Cam for most of his years). OL and QB are really the only big holes, and yes those are massive holes. Coaching is the bigger issue than the roster right now as they've looked completely lost the last month+ for the most part.

[Eazy-E]

59 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Plain and simple.. If your going to rebuild stick to it.. Don't let small success fool you from your original assertion of a situation..

You sign Teddy to a 3 year deal.. He plays you into position for a QB.. Don't let close losses the season before stop you from drafting the future and keeping Teddy as the bridge Qb.. We were in position to succeed in a 3 year rebuild with a strong team young QB sitting and learning and all our assets to improve weak position (Oline, MLB, Safety).. For some reason they thought they were 1 player away and it's going to cost us year of bad mediocre football..

All of that just screams terrible head coach with way too much power/control over a team.

Rhule is literally our own Chip Kelly without the racism.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, t96 said:

I disagree. There are plenty of moves we've made that have indicated rebuild the past 2 years. Other than QB which is a unique situation we also haven't brought in any high priced FAs which is what teams looking to contend immediately do.

 

We rented Gilmore and desperately brought Cam back in a couple weeks ago.  That is a team thinking they are a playoff team.  Not a rebuild. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

The whole idea of a "bridge" QB was a mistake.  Signing Bridgewater was one of the first mistakes Rhule made.  It just doesn't fit the rebuild at all.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, t96 said:

I disagree. There are plenty of moves we've made that have indicated rebuild the past 2 years. Other than QB which is a unique situation we also haven't brought in any high priced FAs which is what teams looking to contend immediately do. The real big issue is that half the moves we're making are for a rebuild and the other half of the moves are to compete/contend now, along with just completely mismanaging the QB position. Our moves conflict with each other and just create a jumbled mess with big holes and then players/cap hits on the team that don't line up with our timeline and also a dearth of draft capital for a team that should be rebuilding. 

 

Also, I actually don't think our roster is that bad, I think it's actually pretty close. D isn't 100% set but it's easily good enough to contend if our offense and QB were better. The offense has been more of a mess than it ever was under Shula (granted he had prime Cam for most of his years). OL and QB are really the only big holes, and yes those are massive holes. Coaching is the bigger issue than the roster right now as they've looked completely lost the last month+ for the most part.

You don't shoot your cap situation to hell and trade away half your upcoming draft to rebuild.

When you need a QB and four starting OL, you're not all that close... especially when your cap situation isn't fantastic and you have minimal draft capital to work with.

 

[KatsAzz]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

We rented Gilmore and desperately brought Cam back in a couple weeks ago.  That is a team thinking they are a playoff team.  Not a rebuild. 

Exactly. And it  shows just how incompetent the Panthers present brain trust really are.