How good are they really?

[Mr. Scot]

This season has been a rollercoaster not only in the win-loss column, but on the field as well.

We've got several guys on the team right now that have seemed to go back and forth between greatness and mediocrity.

So my question for the following names would be how good are they really, and why.

Starting with...

DJ MOORE

Was looking like the next big thing, but has struggled with drops as the season went on. Which version of Moore is the true one and which is the illusion?

BRIAN BURNS

Started off this year looking like an absolute nightmare for opposing offenses, but nobody seems to be all that scared of Burns anymore. In fact, teams are often running right at him and his "sack contest" with Haason Reddick has turned into a pretty one-sided affair. What happened, and can it be fixed?

DERRICK BROWN

The top pick in Matt Rhule's first draft has gone from a future star to being benched. Was Brown overrated to begin with or is the scheme just not doing any favors?

JEREMY CHINN

Another future star from last year who seems to have all but disappeared. Since being slotted into the free safety role, Chinn has still shown up in games but at nowhere near the level he did before. Is it a sophomore slump, is he miscast in his current role or is there something more to the story?

ROBBY ANDERSON

That nice extension he got looks like a boondoggle now. Unlike most of the others, Anderson didn't go from looking good initially to looking bad later. Heck, early on it felt like Anderson couldn't catch anything. These days, he's getting open and hauling in a few more than he did, but is that production worth what he's being paid?

JERMAINE CARTER

Carter was always mostly a "try hard" type player. He wound up starting primarily because the guy that was expected to anchor the middle linebacker spot soured his relationship with team leadership. At this point, Carter is probably a nicer story than he is a player, but can he still be what the team needs in the middle or is it time to move on?

PHIL SNOW

The only non-player on the list, but with a similar story to many others.  Snow looked like a genius in the first few games of the year, but more recent results (especially the last two weeks) have been decidedly less awesome. Did he get figured out or are his players letting him down?

______________________________

Sound off, folks. Who on this list is genuinely good and who's truly just...not?

Edited December 2, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[PanthersGOATFan336]

[Burnout189]

Honestly, with most of these guys, I'm betting it's the system implemented by the inept coaches more than anything.

[therealmjl]

I’ll go ahead and start by saying Jermaine Carter is JAG at best.

Chinn is likely better in the role he was in last year, but this brilliant coaching staff thought it would be a good idea to change a DROTY finalist’s position.

Moore - good corners can simply erase him with on single coverage.

Brown - disappointing and hasn’t progressed at all

Robby - one trick pony that isn’t really good at his trick

Burns - by far the best player in this list but can’t always finish the play and is a liability when teams run at him.

Phil Snow - tied to the hip with Rhule so for that reason he sucks lol but the type of guy you’d love to have a beer and a pack of reds with

Edited December 2, 2021 by therealmjl

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Burnout189 said:

Honestly, with most of these guys, I'm betting it's the system implemented by the inept coaches more than anything.

It's a valid option.

Counterpoint to that though, systems don't drop passes and miss tackles.

[CarolinaLivin]

DJ Moore is a production guy. He isn't a WR1 because he doesn't give his all on 100% of his routes. Maybe my eyes deceive me and its just a blame Joe Brady thing.

Brian Burns creates good pressure, and has been playing pretty well. He may be playing below where we want because in our eyes he should be doing what hasaan is doing right now. I think he just gets too greedy and bites too much when trying to get the big plays.

All of our DTs have been playing poor this year

Chinn has played well. I don't have any complaints with him. 

Robby is questionable. Not sure if he took a step back or if play-calling is hurting him.

I never was a big fan of Jermaine Carter. He is a depth piece. 

[Waldo]

Most of those players had some flashes of positives, not at all worried about them as players in itself (talent & ability). Carter looks like a backup at best but that is who he always was. Other than that, it looks like coaching and staff decisions has put everyone in bad spots. I just can't put it all on those guys, crap rolls down hill and they are at the bottom in the hierarchy of poop rolling. And yes coaching also includes working on cleaning up player techniques. 

This isn't to make excuses for the players. The coaching has been so bad, especially on the O, that it is just too hard to know how much the players played a part in the pooshow.  

The coaching is awful and headed backwards. Snow has shown positives but he has had no good answers for 2 big men up front getting run over, that's a huge issue. He also doesn't appear to be able to adapt to that challenge. That is very bad. I was excited for the positives he has shown but just 2 DTs up front has worked less and less as the year has gone on. He is looking like a failure if he can't change with the games we have left. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Waldo

[thefuzz]

Of them, I trust Moore to turn it around the most.

Burns could turn back up, but his size is always going to be an issue in the run game.  We need to play from ahead for him to be able to be really good.

Anderson, I think he may need to go.  I didn't like the extension at all.

Hassan...he's a sack master, but that's about it...again, need to play from ahead.

Snow...I think there is just too much game tape on him, and if we can't consistently stop the run, we don't have much of a shot.

Brown is what you get when you draft a non pass rushing lineman in the top 10.

[BIGH2001]

Carter - pretty awful. Undersized, easy to push around and create space. 
 

Moore - not a #1 WR. He’s a possession/#2 guy who isn’t making a difference against the other team’s top cover guys.

Anderson - needs Moore and a legit #1 (not on the roster) to attract attention so he can stretch the defense. Otherwise he’s pretty useless.

Brown - Vernon Butler 2.0

Chinn - good player who is out of position/role. Needs to be around the ball more than he is.

Burns - good player, liability in the run game. If our offense could actually control the game more and make the other team have to throw more often he would rack up a lot of sacks and QB hurries.

 

[Panthera onca]

I'm most disappointed in DJ. I think he should have made a big jump this year to sure fire #1 receiver but he has regressed. I think the hospital balls from Sam have made him too concerned about taking a big shot and now he has the dropsies. He also plays lazy at times and that is on him.

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This season has been a rollercoaster not only in the win-loss column, but on the field as well.

We've got several guys on the team right now that have seemed to go back and forth between greatness and mediocrity.

So my question for the following names would be how good are they really, and why.

Starting with...

DJ MOORE

Was looking like the next big thing, but has struggled with drops as the season went on. Which version of Moore is the true one and which is the illusion?

BRIAN BURNS

Started off this year looking like an absolute nightmare for opposing offenses, but nobody seems to be all that scared of Burns anymore. In fact, teams are often running right at him and his "sack contest" with Haason Reddick has turned into a pretty one-sided affair. What happened, and can it be fixed?

DERRICK BROWN

The top pick in Matt Rhule's first draft has gone from a future star to being benched. Was Brown overrated to begin with or is the scheme just not doing any favors?

JEREMY CHINN

Another future star from last year who seems to have all but disappeared. Since being slotted into the free safety role, Chinn has still shown up in games but at nowhere near the level he did before. Is it a sophomore slump, is he miscast in his current role or is there something more to the story?

ROBBY ANDERSON

That nice extension he got looks like a boondoggle now. Unlike most of the others, Anderson didn't go from looking good initially to looking bad later. Heck, early on it felt like Anderson couldn't catch anything. These days, he's getting open and hauling in a few more than he did, but is that production worth what he's being paid?

JERMAINE CARTER

Carter was always mostly a "try hard" type player. He wound up starting primarily because the guy that was expected to anchor the middle linebacker spot soured his relationship with team leadership. At this point, Carter is probably a nicer story than he is a player, but can he still be what the team needs in the middle or is it time to move on?

PHIL SNOW

The only non-player on the list, but with a similar story to many others.  Snow looked like a genius in the first few games of the year, but more recent results (especially the last two weeks) have been decidedly less awesome. Did he get figured out or are his players letting him down?

______________________________

Sound off, folks. Who on this list is genuinely good and who's truly just...not?

Moore: Good

Burns: Eh....leaning towards Good but not Great.

Brown: Not Good. Just hasn't developed.

Chinn: Good. I warned he might slump in the preseason as he adjusts to playing DB in the NFL. Keep in mind while he was supposedly all-world in 2020 that he was not that good in coverage.

Anderson: Good but not as good as we paid him to be.

Carter: Not good. Simply a backup level player.

Snow: This is tough. Inclined to lean good but is the team laying down or is he the same as the rest of our staff and unable to adjust when opposing teams scheme well?

[ThPantherFan]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a valid option.

Counterpoint to that though, systems don't drop passes and miss tackles.

True, unless you factor in the lack of QB protection which causes hurry up, etc.

[Cdparr7]

Moore

DJ is good. Not Steve Smith good or Moose good but good. He’s lazy on routes sometimes and I’ve got a coffee table with more enthusiasm than him. 

Burns

Would probably be better in a 3-4. He’s got an attitude likes he’s the new Peppers but he’s Mike Rucker at best. Right now he’s more like Tyler Brayton.

Chinn

Will be twice as good if they let him play SS and get him away from FS. 

 

Brown

Not a top 10 pick. Late 1st early second maybe. Could be having a “sophomore” slump. Is concerning because he also had a rookie slump. 
 

Anderson

A joke. He’s Philly Brown with more experience. Has a crap attitude and amazes me how he doesn’t die every time he’s tackled.

Carter

He’s a good #2 not a starting MLB though. I think he just appeared as a good player because Whitehead was pure trash. Like the water residue that’s under a trash bag kind of trash.

Phil Snow

Meh. He has out performed my expectations for him which wasn’t high. I think he has tons of knowledge and experience on technique and schemes but I just don’t see that attitude you see with Defensive coaches. It shows on the field, I just don’t see that sick’em all our other defenses had.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Cdparr7

[BlackPanther21_]

No, Chinn is still a beast. They gotta switch him back to the role he had in 2020