Some insight into McCaffrey...

[Fox007]

Of course our poo organization was focusing on RBs to "keep the pressure off Cam" or in whatever fuging dorkey ass stupid way they think a RB is going to do that when you need OL help specifically LT since Gross...just super incompetence abound

Think about that Mahommes/Watson were available too lol.

Lots of RBs taken after 3rd round too like Aaron Jones and James Connor and such. Or just any RB that most good teams can just plug whoever in and have them go.

[BlackPanther21_]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

McCaffrey and Fournette's first few seasons made it look like absolutely the right choice.

Following the extension and Fournette's team switch though? Things have changed a bit.

 

I wouldn’t have taken either in hindsight.

love CMC but that was a deep draft and we DID pass on the best player in the league

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

McCaffrey and Fournette's first few seasons made it look like absolutely the right choice.

Following the extension and Fournette's team switch though? Things have changed a bit.

I'll never knock McCaffrey's talent it is clear as day but the better long term backs of our franchise were bruisers built like Fournette see Jonathan Stewart and Stephen Davis. We took a gamble on McCaffrey's versatility as more of a Swiss army knife when we should have just focused on what we knew had already worked and gotten us to two Super Bowls. You live and learn but unfortunately we tend to always learn the hard way.

[PantherBoy95]

I hate to see CMC limited due to injuries and not talent. When healthy CMC is of course a top 3/4 RB in the league ; but at this point there needs to be a RB by committee or he should be restructured.   Assuming they don't completely move on.

[BlackPanther21_]

Just imagine Rhule forces Sam down our throats for the last few games, he sucks again, but we beat the Saints in NO somehow and miss out on a top 10 pick. The best O-lineman go before us, nobody wants to trade back, and we are forced to reach for a project like Pickett and we run it back with Sam as nobody wants is 5th year option. Wooo!

[Manna]

Well, that's what happens when you overuse a player: They get hurt more often. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'll never knock McCaffrey's talent it is clear as day but the better long term backs of our franchise were bruisers built like Fournette see Jonathan Stewart and Stephen Davis. We took a gamble on McCaffrey's versatility as more of a Swiss army knife when we should have just focused on what we knew had already worked and gotten us to two Super Bowls. You live and learn but unfortunately we tend to always learn the hard way.

Tampa has been smart about sharing the runningback workload between Fournette and others.

Our first few seasons with McCaffrey saw...a different approach.

[Harbingers]

16 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I fully believe that Christian is over training. We saw it before with Beason.

And not training, rehabbing in the proper areas either. Honestly I blame this college S&C coach we have. CMC needs a specialized trainer that will focus him in the right areas. 

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pertinent quote from above for those advocating that we trade him...

A team source said the Panthers have no plans to trade McCaffrey. And honestly, it’s hard to imagine there would be many teams interested in taking on McCaffrey’s injury history and salary numbers.

Granted it could happen, but that second sentence is a valid point.

Well, technically the most a team would be on the hook for is $12 mil in 2025. The only guaranteed money on the deal is $8.4 mil next year. It's actually not an AWFUL contract to trade. Now, it would nuke our 2022 cap with dead money.

Plus, the missing 23 of the past 33 games is not going to make many teams at all interested in taking on that deal unless the price is very low.

I think what will likely happen IF he continues to not get healthy in 2022 is we jettison him for nickels in a trade after the 2022 season or just simply take the cap hit and cut him.

Either way, the bulk of this board was flipping poo at the small group of us that were against the signing at the time. This is literally what we were concerned about. I can't say enough how bad of an idea it is in the modern NFL to pay top 5 money for a RB. ANY RB.

[Mage]

Lol Fournette isn't a good back and wasn't a good pick either.  Not really sure what the article is trying to suggest honestly?  It could have made the argument that McCaffrey wasn't a good pick without also trying to draw parallels between him and Fournette.  Fournette just so happens to play for an absolutely loaded offense.

 

[ChibCU]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

McCaffrey and Fournette's first few seasons made it look like absolutely the right choice.

Following the extension and Fournette's team switch though? Things have changed a bit.

 

The draft decision was absolutely correct between those two options. Our extension was not. Fournette's probably playing for relatively cheap in Tampa Bay.

[ChibCU]

23 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'll never knock McCaffrey's talent it is clear as day but the better long term backs of our franchise were bruisers built like Fournette see Jonathan Stewart and Stephen Davis. We took a gamble on McCaffrey's versatility as more of a Swiss army knife when we should have just focused on what we knew had already worked and gotten us to two Super Bowls. You live and learn but unfortunately we tend to always learn the hard way.

Stephen Davis played three seasons with us and spent 33% of that time on IR.

[AU-panther]

Speaking of that draft, people should look at the first round

2017 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

This idea of not wanting to trade down because they might lose out on a sure thing is ridiculous.

Take the QBs out of the equation and Myles Garrett (there is a reason the #1 pick is so expensive) who are the 3 best players from that draft?

Watt at 30?

Ramcyk at 32?

Adams at 6?

White at 27?

When you look at old drafts you realize how hard finding greats players really is, even in the first.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Mage said:

Lol Fournette isn't a good back and wasn't a good pick either.  Not really sure what the article is trying to suggest honestly?  It could have made the argument that McCaffrey wasn't a good pick without also trying to draw parallels between him and Fournette.  Fournette just so happens to play for an absolutely loaded offense.

Skill wise, McCaffrey blows Fournette away. Doubt anyone would argue that.

As far as availability though, Tampa is using Fournette smarter than we are McCaffrey.

(and to be fair, getting more consistent results)

Edited November 30, 2021 by Mr. Scot