Quick note, re: coaching

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, AU-panther said:

I know we don't always agree but nice to see you back.

If we are looking for a HC I could definitely see some of the names you stated being considered, but what if we keep Rhule and he is pressured to overhaul the offensive side of the ball?

As we know NFL coaches usually don't make lateral moves so if we are looking for a new OC we realistically won't be looking at current OCs, more likely we will be looking at former OCs or up and coming position coaches.

Who are some position coaches that you could see having connections with us?

Ken Dorsey?

Or some position coaches that are highly regarded in the league?

Such as Mike Kafka, Chiefs passing game coordinator

Rhule definitely has a preference for hiring people he's worked with previously. Still feels like if he goes to replace Brady, it'll be somebody from within (like Sean Ryan or Jeff Nixon) unless he's actually forced to look outside. If that happens, it might be more likely we get people with connections to guys like Scott Fitterer, Dan Morgan and Pat Stewart.

Ken Dorsey would likely have the Dan Morgan endorsement. His coming back here would be ironic too (especially if Newton were retained). He'd also be a potential OC candidate under Brian Daboll.

Kafka is a popular name right now. I read he's actually not under contract next year so he could be an option. Oddly enough, he's also got a minor connection to Daboll tracing back to the 2013 offseason.

The most obvious names with connections to Fitterer would be former Seahawks OC Brian Schottenheimer land current Seahawks passing game coordinator Dave Canales. Schottenheimer has some history but depending on who you talk to, he's not always the most popular guy.

My favorite option here though is a former colleague of Player Personnel VP Pat Stewart who also happens to have a lot of familiarity with West Coast type offensive systems.

Specifically, Doug Pederson.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule definitely has a preference for hiring people he's worked with previously. Still feels like if he goes to replace Brady, it'll be somebody from within (like Sean Ryan or Jeff Nixon) unless he's actually forced to look outside. If that happens, it might be more likely we get people with connections to guys like Scott Fitterer, Dan Morgan and Pat Stewart.

Ken Dorsey would likely have the Dan Morgan endorsement. His coming back here would be ironic too (especially if Newton were retained). He'd also be a potential OC candidate under Brian Daboll.

Kafka is a popular name right now. I read he's actually not under contract next year so he could be an option. Oddly enough, he's also got a minor connection to Daboll tracing back to the 2013 offseason.

The most obvious names with connections to Fitterer would be former Seahawks OC Brian Schottenheimer land current Seahawks passing game coordinator Dave Canales. Schottenheimer has some history but depending on who you talk to, he's not always the most popular guy.

My favorite option here though is a former colleague of Player Personnel VP Pat Stewart who also happens to have a lot of familiarity with West Coast type offensive systems.

Specifically, Doug Pederson.

If you have to force your head coach's hand on his staff selections, you have the wrong head coach.

[therealmjl]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule definitely has a preference for hiring people he's worked with previously. Still feels like if he goes to replace Brady, it'll be somebody from within (like Sean Ryan or Jeff Nixon) unless he's actually forced to look outside. If that happens, it might be more likely we get people with connections to guys like Scott Fitterer, Dan Morgan and Pat Stewart.

Ken Dorsey would likely have the Dan Morgan endorsement. His coming back here would be ironic too (especially if Newton were retained). He'd also be a potential OC candidate under Brian Daboll.

Kafka is a popular name right now. I read he's actually not under contract next year so he could be an option. Oddly enough, he's also got a minor connection to Daboll tracing back to the 2013 offseason.

The most obvious names with connections to Fitterer would be former Seahawks OC Brian Schottenheimer land current Seahawks passing game coordinator Dave Canales. Schottenheimer has some history but depending on who you talk to, he's not always the most popular guy.

My favorite option here though is a former colleague of Player Personnel VP Pat Stewart who also happens to have a lot of familiarity with West Coast type offensive systems.

Specifically, Doug Pederson.

Pederson would definitely be the right hire for this team. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you have to force your head coach's hand on his staff selections, you have the wrong head coach.

No argument.

Of course, you also have to remember that not being allowed to make his own staffing decisions was why Rhule turned down the Jets.

Ironically enough, it was a factor in the Eagles parting ways with Pederson as well.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

13 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

I don't really know anything about Hackett but it seems like LaFleur has his hand print on everything there, including playcalling duties. What is it about Hackett that makes him an attractive candidate? 

Couple of good reads on Hackett...

Nathaniel Hackett has what it takes, and a lot more

Solid gold Hackett becomes top coaching candidate

Packers Nathaniel Hackett is not like the rest of them

One writer noted that pretty much everywhere he's gone, offensive improvement has followed. Throw in that between he and his dad, he's got enough connections to build a world-class staff.

He'd honestly be pretty entertaining too. His personality can definitely be described as...quirky.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Daboll has been on my wishlist since the start of the season, but I'm kind of wary of him now. Bills have been Jekyll and Hyde all year long. Still probably the number 1 guy imo,  with Nathanial Hackett right behind him.

[Mr. Scot]

Good link here for anybody that wants to look at potential head coaching candidates in general...

Future NFL head coaches for 2022 and beyond

Hackett and Daboll are actually the first two names mentioned, but guys like Eric Bieniemy, Byron Leftwhch, Matt Eberflus and others are also listed.

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No argument.

Of course, you also have to remember that not being allowed to make his own staffing decisions was why Rhule turned down the Jets.

Ironically enough, it was a factor in the Eagles parting ways with Pederson as well.

The topic of assistants probably got brought up and when the Jets heard Rhule was planning to bring all his college buddies they were like... 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The topic of assistants probably got brought up and when the Jets heard Rhule was planning to bring all his college buddies they were like... 

Whereas we handed him the keys to everything

[Mr. Scot]

Lemme throw in one more point on Hackett...

Lack of NFL experience is one of people's biggest criticisms when it comes to Matt Rhule and his staff. Hackett is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum.

He's been an NFL coach for 13 years, but his dad coached in the league starting as far back as 1981, including some time spent coaching a guy named Joe Montana.

Along the way, he's picked up connections to people like the Schottenheimers and the Grudens and the long list of people they're connected to. Heck, he even worked with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin a while back. And there's more.

All that said, it's probably not all that likely that we get him. I'm not even sure how big a chance there is of Rhule being gone.

But ya never know...

Edited November 29, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Jay Roosevelt]

Daboll or Eberfleus are my picks. I also like Kellen Moore, but his inexperience does give me some pause.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Just now, Jay Roosevelt said:

Daboll or Eberfleus are my picks. I also like Kellen Moore, but his inexperience does give me some pause.

I like Eberfleus but this board will riot if we pick a defensive guy.

[Jay Roosevelt]

41 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Pederson would definitely be the right hire for this team. 

Hell no.

[Jay Roosevelt]

4 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

I like Eberfleus but this board will riot if we pick a defensive guy.

Defensive coaches are fine if they bring in someone who can run the offense effectively. Preferably someone old enough that they're not poached for a HC job after a little success.