Stewart is a liability

[Sandy Claws]

Stewart averages 4.4 ypc on his first 5 carries of each game. When he has got over 10 carries, he has averaged 7 ypc. Thgat would seem to indicate that we need to shift more work to Stewart, not to Williams as the OP wants.

[PuntJake]

You're missing the point.

no, you're missing the point. its stewart's carries that allows DeWill to stay fresh and healthy all season. otherwise he'd get beat up carrying an additional 8-12 times a game all season and most likely wouldn't last or end up with about the same amount of yards because his runs would start getting shorter.

do you not comprehend the concept of a 2 back system as opposed to a 1 back system?

dewill already has more yards than peterson and thats being in true 2 back system!

[PantherDude]

Ugh...this thread reminds me of last year when fans were calling for Stewart to start and to bench Williams.

Either of our backs can break it lose on any given play. The fact that their running style is different is even more reason to keep switching them in and out so the defense can't adjust to them.

The only adjustments we need in the running game is to increase the carries of both backs.

Word. There is a reason we have Double Trouble: sharing play will decrease the risk of either getting hurt or shortening their careers. There is a reason why DeAngelo has his best season last year by having Stewart helping out getting some good number of yards. Without Stewart or a good RB to help out Williams, he could wind up like Turner near the end of Falcons's season last year. Didn't the Falcons use Turner too much that it apparently affect him & he was slowing down near the end of the season along with less yards per rush? I don't want that in Williams & having Stewart is why Williams didn't wind up like Turner last year.

[vorbis]

stewart ain't a liability to anything related to the carolina panthers.

[Pantherman]

Let me put in terms for people who don't understand. Stewart is in there to wear down the D so Dwill can have a easier time getting through the holes. If it wasn't for stewart wearing down Ds. The Dwill would not be getting these big holes late in games. Stewart does a great job. Both him and Dwill are the best. But that loss thursday is because of Davidson play calling. Davidson is avg at best as a OC. It's time for him to be fired along with fox and the rest of the coaching staff.

[Munkey]

All I'm saying is that when your Running Back is picking up nine yards a clip he shouldn't have touches taken away by your other running back who is only picking up three yards a clip. Jake is obviously the real problem, but that has been beaten to death. This is another problem that needs to be fixed. They get about the same ratio of carries as Johnson and White, not almost split down the middle.

Williams should get 25 touches a game, rushes, catches, whatever you have to do.

Yeah, 9 yards a clip.. Because he would have gained 9 yards every single touch.. :frown2:

He had a run for 50 yards which made up nearly 50% of his total for the night. Besides that one run he was just like Stewart, grinding out the small ones and the occasional 10 yard burst. There were more times Deangelo was stopped for negative yardage than Stewart was.. Do some of you people even watch the games or do you just read stats?

I'm not saying Deangelo is bad but what you're saying is Stewart shouldn't get a good ammount of touches, which is just retarded.

[RedFalcon]

Stewart is great for the Panthers! He may not get as many yards as Williams, but he gets enough yards to gain first down, or important yards or score. And having a duo like DeAngelo and Jonathan is great. Other team don't know what to expect whenever one of them is in the backfield. This year, on offense, Jake seems to be the main problem, but it doesn't mean Jake is bad for the team. He started the season on a very bad and sad way, and he doesn't seems to be able to get over it and be like the guy he has been last year.

[AceMan]

I blame John Fox for not "feeding the stud". It all comes back to John Fox's inability to adjust in a game.

[Lt Pinkerton]

Deangelo is our best player!

You all seem to think that Stewart is the reason D-Will does so well, but it's the exact opposite. He should be getting more carries at the expense of Stew AND Delhomme. 25 touches a game to our star running back, not 13 to our star and 12 to our backup. As soon as Deangelo gets on a hot streak he gets taken out for a three downs, and we end up punting. He should be an every down back.

[micnificent28]

i disagree i think stewarts ablity to pound the rock has won us or kept us in as many games as williams remember who won u last weeks game with a big run. the problem and reason we lost as much as i wanna blame jake is playcalling i dont believe the panthers should ever pass on 3rd and 1 maybe not even fourth and 1 with stew in the backfield the panthers are rarely stoped for no gain

[MadHatter]

Deangelo is our best player!

You all seem to think that Stewart is the reason D-Will does so well, but it's the exact opposite. He should be getting more carries at the expense of Stew AND Delhomme. 25 touches a game to our star running back, not 13 to our star and 12 to our backup. As soon as Deangelo gets on a hot streak he gets taken out for a three downs, and we end up punting. He should be an every down back.

So, we should not throw and we should only give the ball to Stew for a couple of plays. Every play we should jsut hand off to Williams and watch him get 10 yards a carry.

God, this is not MADDEN. You cannot pound the rock with one player the way you are proposing to. You will have one season out of Williams and then the beating will take its toll. That is exactly why most teams in the NFL are going to a 2 back...and sometimes even 3-back system.

Please go back to the video games.

[Lt Pinkerton]

So, we should not throw and we should only give the ball to Stew for a couple of plays. Every play we should jsut hand off to Williams and watch him get 10 yards a carry.

God, this is not MADDEN. You cannot pound the rock with one player the way you are proposing to. You will have one season out of Williams and then the beating will take its toll. That is exactly why most teams in the NFL are going to a 2 back...and sometimes even 3-back system.

Please go back to the video games.

I am not proposing that we hand the ball off to Williams every play, I am proposing that he get 25 touches at Stewart's expense. I don't even play Madden.

[NewCat28]

Pinkerton, I don't think you are seeing the logic in the other poster's counter points. My simple opinion is that the 2 back system is working fine. I did notice the same thing you said...but Dwill took himself out.. Dwill will break a 40+ yarder each game. The counter question would be...what could stewart do with 25 carries?

I believe if you take the 8-10 carries away from Stewart that Dwill will NOT be more effective. I have observed that having Stewie in there keeps defenses worn out for them both. Dwill is elusive and quick twich, Stewie is power and speed. No logical person would say it's Stewart,,,maybe it's the PLAYCALLING sir!

If you are implying that the Panthers coaching staff play Stewart to justify his 1 round status..I don't agree.

But that would expose your real issue which is you think the Panthers wasted the pick on him...you said earlier that they shouldve drafted Flaco. That's opinion as a fan and you (and others) are entitled to it.

Bottom line is this. Dwill gets more carries. Numbers don't lie. So the times when stewie comes in...the box is stacked...and everyone in the stadium knows it's a run...and an NFL defense stuffs him...well that's not because Jonathan Stewart is a less capable back sir.

On another note, this 2 back system will benefit them both in their NFL careers.

[NewCat28]

Never mind Pinkerton....I get it. You feel that Dwill is the better back period. OK there is no arguing health, production, and big plays.

I will say this though. If you had Jake Delhome and Dwill with no J Stew...do you feel that Dwill would be running the ball like he is now. How is Dwill making J Stew a better back...they COMPLIMENT each other. If you feel that Dwill would have had his last 1 and half seasons here without Jonathan...We can agree to disagree sir.