Why you don't fire John Fox

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Fox proved his mettle after the 0-3 start this season. Again. He proves it every year. You have a bunch of people on here who forget your odds of going to the Super Bowl are 1 out of 16 and odds of winning it are 1 out of 32. Furthermore, the odds of going to the championship games are 1 out 8. In eight years, Fox has been twice. Odds of making the playoffs...three out of eight or .375. Fox has been three times in eight years. Barely missed every other year. Hasn't had that stinker year that makes fans give up on the team. But...because of that....hasn't had the top 10 picks that get you over the hump, either.

Your odds may be statistically correct, but I think you can eliminate a handfull of teams every year, which should then increase your odds.

I would be more impressed with Fox had we not dropped three in the first place.

Honestly, I don't think Fox is a bad coach. Maybe if we had a decent quarterback, we wouldn't be having this discussion -- but again, that still comes back to Fox.

[Matt Foley]

I think you can eliminate a handfull of teams every year.

You mean like....teams that go 1-15?

[Mesmer]

Meat's on a roll.

I see it both ways and I can't decide, myself. I'll need the rest of the season to further evaluate the situation. It's certainly a tough call, and at this point I would completely understand the decision to keep him and the decision to fire him.

[OneBadassCat]

I don't want Fox fired, I just want a QB who won't hold us back anymore.

[Guild]

If Fox would just get rid of Jake, play to kill the other team instead of letting them back into the game, and get Hurney to fire Crossman then I would be quite happy with him staying here.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

You mean like....teams that go 1-15?

But come on, Siefert had proven himself in the league. Surely if we had kept him another year or so, he would have turned it around.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

If Fox would just get rid of Jake, play to kill the other team instead of letting them back into the game, and get Hurney to fire Crossman then I would be quite happy with him staying here.

That about sums it up.

[ladypanther]

Fox has had a good chance here. He can get talent (except at QB)...he just can't figure out how to win consistently. He does not adjust...and he has not grown as a head coach. Time to move on..while we still have some talent who deserves to win.

[bigskypanthersguy]

My biggest concern with keeping John is his inability to make halftime adjustments or show any kind of aggression when it's solely needed. The Cowboys and Saints games were proof positive that when it's in our best interest to be dictators instead of reactors to the game's pace, that he'll go into a passive shell and stick his head in the ground like a giraffe, hoping for the best.

There are certain positions he seems quite adept at drafting for--running back, linebacker, and to a lesser extent, offensive line.

There are, however, positions he and/or his coaching staff are abysmal at drafting for: wide receiver, quarterback, and I'd frankly say defensive tackle (Irvin in the third round as someone who only ever saw the field in college due to injury does not exactly inspire confidence).

To me, that's the other elephant in the room in as far as keeping him: these are absolutely vital positions, that should've been addressed a couple years ago, and pretty much have to be addressed in either this year's draft or next year's.

However, the failure of Keary Colbert, Drew Carter, Ryne Robinson, and Dwayne Jarrett (who has been adequate enough at everything but deep routes, and honestly, that's just maddeningly stupid. Sending a slow possession receiver who struggles with separation on a deep route?) at developing into competent receivers suggests that it's not just talent evaluation, but a sign that it may be time to move on from Williamson. But that begs a bigger question: why keep Jarrett when clearly he isn't being used much, and why not put Kenneth Moore on the field, erm, more, to see how he is in game situations?

I love the Panthers, but trying to understand them is like trying to read tea leaves for political advice.

[Peppers90 NC]

LOL. Sorry, top 10 coaches actually get back-to-back winning seasons. Last years team would have been 8-8 or 9-7 if we didn't play the Raiders, Lions, Chiefs, and any other terrible team on our schedule.

If this is the case, there aren't a top 10 coaches list, b/c what 10 teams consistantly win? Is Caldwell automtically a top 10 coach now?

[Matt Foley]

There aren't ANY coaches who have coached at least three years and never had a 6-10 or worse on their record. Oh wait....

[CharlotteBeer.com]

There aren't ANY coaches who have coached at least three years and never had a 6-10 or worse on their record. Oh wait....

Once this year is over, Mike Tomlin will be able to say otherwise.

[Kevin Greene]

There aren't ANY coaches who have coached at least three years and never had a 6-10 or worse on their record. Oh wait....

Once this year is over, Mike Tomlin will be able to say otherwise.

And Wade Phillips and Ken Whisenhunt.

Sean Payton has not gone 6-10 in 3 plus years, Norv Turner has not gone 6-10 or worse either in 3 plus years in their current jobs.

Then you've got coaches like Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck, Tom Coughlin who've been putting up winning records for years.

This is as stupid as the Titan comparison.

[Matt Foley]

And Wade Phillips and Ken Whisenhunt.

Sean Payton has not gone 6-10 in 3 plus years, Norv Turner has not gone 6-10 or worse either in 3 plus years in their current jobs.

Then you've got coaches like Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck, Tom Coughlin who've been putting up winning records for years.

This is as stupid as the Titan comparison.

YOU'RE stupid.