Really, what does Derrick Brown do?

[4Corners]

I’m still bullish on Brown. Need to find out what he is though. Pass rusher or space eater. Fatten him up this off-season? 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I remember us not being able to pay 2 DT'S that much money.. Its just not smart.  Star wasn't fan of the south and he wasn't giving us a discount... Ppl freaked out paying 2 RBs.. They couldn't afford to do that at DT..

Yet they had no problem paying Dontari Poe 9M/ year in the same off-season. Was that 1M the difference in over paying a position? 

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yet they had no problem paying Dontari Poe 9M/ year in the same off-season. Was that 1M the difference in over paying a position? 

Star wanted more money over more years.. Star wanted Kk's contract  not Poe's.. You do know there is a difference right??

You do understand their was a different negotiation strategy with us then he had with the Bills..

I'm not a fan of Gentleman but it would have been stupid to put that much money into 1 position group..

Edited November 22, 2021 by WOW!!

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Star wanted more money over more years.. Star wanted Kk's contract  not Poe's.. You do know there is a difference right??

What does that have to do with the team paying the position too much? They chose Poe over Star. Star went to BUF for 1M more. That amount doesn’t put any team as over paying any position. You said they wouldn’t. But they actually did and chose the wrong guy. But we can discuss any details about either of their deals. Gladly. 

[WOW!!]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

What does that have to do with the team paying the position too much? They chose Poe over Star. Star went to BUF for 1M more. That amount doesn’t put any team as over paying any position. You said they wouldn’t. But they actually did and chose the wrong guy. But we can discuss any details about either of their deals. Gladly. 

Okay there is this thing called a positional value chart.. Dt's don't rank high on it.. So paying 2 like KK would have handicapped the team from fixing anything else on the team.. 

Again since you're not getting this .. Star negotiation with us was different then his with Buffalo's.. He didn't want the contract he got from Buffalo from us.. He wanted KK'S contract or better.. Poe got a short deal. Poe didn't get KK'S deal... Star wanted more years and more Money from us.. Do you understand?? There is no hindsight 20/20 here unless you're talking we should have kept Star over KK.. Because we couldn't keep them both..

[Mage]

It is way too early to write Derrick Brown off.  It takes time for DTs to develop unless they are among the very elite.  Cameron Heyward is an All-Pro and he didn't even start his first two years.

Brown will be fine.  He showed way too much promise last year, he's just in a slump right now.  But the guy is 23 years old w/ incredible physical talent and a very hard worker.  Let's just pump the brakes.

[Shocker]

I can’t imagine what the run defense would look like without him.  Not worried about D Brown at all

[TheMaulClaw]

I had a sense that it was a bad pick when we drafted him.  I didn't like his frame, he's big, but he didn't look powerful enough relative to what's being asked of him.

[MillionDollarCam]

Brown hasn’t been great (average at best), but outside of Wirfs, Becton (who was a risky pick), Terrell, Lamb, and Jefferson… who do you replace him with? You certainly don’t replace Brown with Kinlaw who has been down right atrocious.

In hindsight, we should have drafted Wirfs but we had just signed Okung and had Moton on the other side.

It’s also tough to say whether or not Brown has been hampered by DaQuan Jones. Jones has been the worst out of the two and maybe that’s affecting Brown’s play.

With the wealth of corners that we have, maybe giving Donte Jackson’s money to someone like Maliek Collins would help sure up the run game.

[Toomers]

14 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Okay there is this thing called a positional value chart.. Dt's don't rank high on it.. So paying 2 like KK would have handicapped the team from fixing anything else on the team.. 

Again since you're not getting this .. Star negotiation with us was different then his with Buffalo's.. He didn't want the contract he got from Buffalo from us.. He wanted KK'S contract or better.. Poe got a short deal. Poe didn't get KK'S deal... Star wanted more years and more Money from us.. Do you understand?? There is no hindsight 20/20 here unless you're talking we should have kept Star over KK.. Because we couldn't keep them both..

  Since we have reached the point in the spin cycle where you directly contradict your original spin, let’s see if you can get this. 
 

   You stated a reason for not signing Star being that they didn’t want to spend too much on one position. Yet this same team paid almost as much to another DT shortly thereafter. So please explain how this was different than assigning a known quantity, to 1M more a year. I don’t care what you think they wanted from any team. And even Star’s agent knew he wasn’t getting KK money. From anyone. Star may have wanted to move on. Who cares. It’s irrelevant. There was no way they didn’t sign him because of too much Monday at DT, when they spent it anyhow right after. Then spent 7M more on McCoy the next off season. How does one explain all this? 

[WOW!!]

35 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Since we have reached the point in the spin cycle where you directly contradict your original spin, let’s see if you can get this. 
 

   You stated a reason for not signing Star being that they didn’t want to spend too much on one position. Yet this same team paid almost as much to another DT shortly thereafter. So please explain how this was different than assigning a known quantity, to 1M more a year. I don’t care what you think they wanted from any team. And even Star’s agent knew he wasn’t getting KK money. From anyone. Star may have wanted to move on. Who cares. It’s irrelevant. There was no way they didn’t sign him because of too much Monday at DT, when they spent it anyhow right after. Then spent 7M more on McCoy the next off season. How does one explain all this? 

Dude seriously..

Your whole argument is based on the contract he got from Buffalo that he wasn't asking for here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/429678002

3years 27mill. Poe's contract. With voidable years..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2704082-kawann-short-panthers-agree-to-5-year-contract-reportedly-worth-80m.amp.html

Kawan short had a 5 year 80mil contract..

Star wanted Shorts contract not Poe's from us do you not see the difference..

Edited November 22, 2021 by WOW!!

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Dude seriously..

Your whole argument is based on the contract he got from Buffalo that he wasn't asking for here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/429678002

3years 27mill. Poe's contract. With voidable years..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2704082-kawann-short-panthers-agree-to-5-year-contract-reportedly-worth-80m.amp.html

Kawan short had a 5 year 80mil contract..

Star wanted Shorts contract not Poe's from us do you not see the difference..

Why does it matter, in any way, what Star wanted from the Panthers, or any team. It’s about what he got and was actually worth. Stars 5/50M he got was barely more than that. Why is spending 1M/year more just TOO MUCH(according to you) for a position. This is your theory and nothing the team did has shown there was ever a thought like that. Or they wouldn’t have run out to sign Poe. Then sign McCoy when both Poe and KK were here. 
 

    Just for kicks, show us where anyone with credibility confirmed that Star wanted 16M/yr? 

[glitchh8]

How to this point has no one mentioned coaching?

DL coach Okam is a Baylor transfer, no NFL coaching background before coming here last year with Rhule/Snow. Is he able to coach up Brown should be a large question. 

[WOW!!]

5 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I had a sense that it was a bad pick when we drafted him.  I didn't like his frame, he's big, but he didn't look powerful enough relative to what's being asked of him.

         What??? He didn’t look powerful enough in college?

what film are yo watching?