Argument against starting Matt Moore...

[CatMan72]

It's the same mindset that caused DeAngelo Williams to rot on the bench while DeShaun Foster put on a fumbling clinic.

[Pantherman]

In a parallel comparison....Godfrey was stinking the joint up something awful, gets injured, and whoa we find out Sherod Martin is a BALLER! Whatever had been seen of Sherod Martin in practice/preseason/limited snaps had given the coaches the impression that Godfrey was a better start. They had no idea they were wrong until Martin was forced into action by a Godfrey injury.

Doesn't it stand to reason that the same possibility exists with Moore?

:sosp: Ummm no. Moore in 2007 was 2-1 as starter in his rookie year. Has not played since because Jake has played since then. Godfrey has been playing safty for 2 years now. Aside Matt Moore has only started started 3 games in his carreer and is 2-1 . You can not compare a guy who has started for 2 years in a row to guy that has only started 3 games in his short carreer. On top of that Moore won 2 of those 3 games he started. Enough said and your point is invaild.

[Pantherman]

For this season, it makes no difference.

Knowing what we have this offseason and proceeding accordingly toward next season starting Moore makes a lot of sense.

But until we're mathematically eliminated from playoff contention Fox will tell you: "Jake gives us the best chance to win".

Well if that is the case thenit want take us very much longer I guess. give carolina 1 are to more games. Then they will be out of it.

[Pantherman]

The irony of this quote is that it's an indictment of Fox's competency. If a guy that has thrown 14 interceptions by week 11 is the best thing you've got at QB, it means you have failed.

:rolleye: Well the int's at this point is invaild point since Jay cutler of the bears currently on the league record for the season.

[Newtcase]

:sosp: Ummm no. Moore in 2007 was 2-1 as starter in his rookie year. Has not played since because Jake has played since then. Godfrey has been playing safty for 2 years now. Aside Matt Moore has only started started 3 games in his carreer and is 2-1 . You can not compare a guy who has started for 2 years in a row to guy that has only started 3 games in his short carreer. On top of that Moore won 2 of those 3 games he started. Enough said and your point is invaild.

I'm comparing Moore to Martin as Delhomme to Godfrey you retard. Both have started 3 games and Martin has proven to be effective. The comparison illustrates how Martin has been effective so could Moore. You are truly dense.

[Montsta]

Moore will not see a single snap during a real game this year unless one of the following happens:

-Jake has a season ending injury

-We lose the next 4 straight games and it's directly Jakes fault

-Fox gets fired in the next few weeks

Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is that we get our 10th loss this year with 1 or 2 games to go and are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, and then Moore gets to play with a team that has lost it's fire, so the results may not be indicative of what he can do.

And for what it's worth, I think that we need to blame the D for last nights loss, not Jake. And trust me, I love hating Jake and relish any chances to pick apart his lack of talent. Playcalling was also atrocious. Throwing a 40 yard bomb on 3rd and 1? Wow. Throwing 75% of the time when you're in the red zone? Wow.

The only thing I think Jake screwedup on badly, and yes I know he overshot Smitty on a couple deep ones, was when he threw his redzone pick. Even after the ref moved to allow him to hike it the fins had 4 guys in bounds on our side of the and even if he didn't get the penalty he let them get set when they looked completely confused and out of position. You still throw a pick in that situation? That's really, really bad.

[MaineManPanther]

If we start Moore, then Jeff Davidson will truly be exposed as an incompetent OC, and you won't be able to blame Jake for his shortcomings.

You put a thrid string QB behind a injured offensive line, youll see many oc look bad.

[MaineManPanther]

So you're telling me we occupied a roster spot with Moore for this long and have no confidence in him?

Either way you look at this leads you to the conclusion that Fox and Hurney are stupid. If they have too much pride or emotional attachment to Jake to bench him after 14 int's, that's stupid... if they've been taking up a roster spot for 3 years with a guy they have this little confidence in, that's stupid.

In this league, it's all about the QB - that's the one position you have to try and be secure at. There's NO EXCUSE for finding yourself in a position where your starting QB is playing this poorly but you leave him out there because you don't think you have anything better.

If I was Moore, I would ship out of here the first chance I got.

He's a thrid string QB. Not alot if any coaches in the NFL have faith that there thrid string qb can play well over a series of games.

[MaineManPanther]

:eek: Ummm what do you call 2-1 record as starter in 2007. Wheather he was playing a team of backups are not. 2-1 is proof enough for me to start him. Plus some people keep forgetting the reason Jake Got this 4 year contract extension was because Peppers sorry a$$ would not do a long term contract. Therefore Hurney was force to extend Jake contract to free up cap so we could have money to get a few FAs to help out this team. So most of this blames falls on peppers and hurney.:crazy:

If were going to use reasoning based on the past, Jake has taken us to a superbowl so thats good enough for me. You can't say moore is good because two years ago he was 2-1. He has had two years to prove that he could atleast be a 2nd string, but even then he lost his job to Mccown

[CatMan72]

:rolleye: Well the int's at this point is invaild point since Jay cutler of the bears currently on the league record for the season.

It's goes beyond the interceptions, I could live with the interceptions if there was an upside to having Jake out there, but there isn't. At least with Cutler you can argue that there is an upside. When Jake does something good, like the TD catch last night, it's usually the result of someone else making him look good. When he does something bad, it's usually all on him - like the interception last night.

[thefuzz]

It comes from the top.

Hurney and Big Cat agreed to sign Jake to a huge extension. Fox, weather he wants to or not, is taking orders from the top.

Big Cat and Hurney don't want to look like idiots by signing him and then being benched 2/3's of the way through the season.

BTW, it is time to move on from Fox and Hurney, IMO.

[MaineManPanther]

It comes from the top.

Hurney and Big Cat agreed to sign Jake to a huge extension. Fox, weather he wants to or not, is taking orders from the top.

Big Cat and Hurney don't want to look like idiots by signing him and then being benched 2/3's of the way through the season.

BTW, it is time to move on from Fox and Hurney, IMO.

Huge extension was for cap. Jake even before the season was not going to see that whole contract.

And to say Hurney and and Richardson are playing jkae because of selfish pride, and not wins. Is kind of crazy. If they really thought benchhing jake would give them more wins, do you really think Big cat and hurney wouldnt do that?

[Pantherman]

It comes from the top.

Hurney and Big Cat agreed to sign Jake to a huge extension. Fox, weather he wants to or not, is taking orders from the top.

Big Cat and Hurney don't want to look like idiots by signing him and then being benched 2/3's of the way through the season.

BTW, it is time to move on from Fox and Hurney, IMO.

:shocked: Umm how do know Jr had anthing to with the extension for Jake contract. at the time this was going with Jake contract JR was ill and was in the process of heart transplant. He had nothing to do with. Plus the only reason they extend Jake contract was to clear cap space because Pepper sorry a$$ would not sign a long term. Therefore Hurney was force to extended it. That is the only reason why.

[OneBadassCat]

I thought it was hilarious that we didn't really try to score until we 5 minutes left in the game. Yesterday wasn't totally on Jake but he made some bad throws yesterday. And I don't think he has hit anyone in stride all season.