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Argument against starting Matt Moore...

Zod

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MaineManPanther Newbie

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Our season is screwed now and Jake is the one that screws the offense. We can most definately afford to see what Moore has. Get off Fox's jock strap.

With Moore who has no chemistry with any of the starters, very little expierence,has no faith with the coach, and with a o-line that seems to be messy. And we have to shrinken the playbook for the next couple games. This could cost us games while he and the rest of the offence is getting adjusted. As a coach who is not mathmatically out of it , it would be very risky. And yes more then having Jake in there.

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The way I see it, Davidson has too much confidence that Jake can throw the ball well. At least with Matt Moore in, he'll have to run the ball more because of his lack of confidence in Matt. Running the ball = what this team is built around. Not throwing the ball more than 25 times per game. I'm so sick of Jeff Davidson going into panic mode when the score differential is less than 14 with PLENTY of time left. There's way too much time in the game to give up on the run. The way I see it, each team's game plan is basically this.. "Put up 14 pts on them early, sit back and intercept the ball for the rest of the game."

Look at the colts; they know their running game isn't there, so they're passing it because it is a strength. They're not going to run the ball 30 times in a game. Why? Because that's retarded for a team with a passing game like theirs.

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MaineManPanther Newbie

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There's nothing to suggest he can do any worse either. Why won't you Jake apologists admit to that as well?

How is saying Moore is bad meaning I like jake? Me wanting Jake in has nothing to do with 'loving' Jake. And everyhting to do with belivingMoore isnt that good. If Mccown was here Id def consider putting him in.

Moore can do alot worse then theses last four games, Moore is a thrid string qb, who well need to shrinkin the playbook for and who has little starting expierence. Moore can do alot worse then 4 td's and 1 int 49/110.

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How is saying Moore is bad meaning I like jake? Me wanting Jake in has nothing to do with 'loving' Jake. And everyhting to do with belivingMoore isnt that good. If Mccown was here Id def consider putting him in.

Moore can do alot worse then theses last four games, Moore is a thrid string qb, who well need to shrinkin the playbook for and who has little starting expierence.

You have no proof to suggest he'll do worse. You only have what you think he'll do. I don't have proof he'll do better, only what I think he'll do. At this point we don't lose anything by seeing what we have in him.

All QBs have little starting experience until they're given a chance. How the hell do you expect to ever find a QB of the future without starting someone somewhere down the line with little starting experience? Why do you think we'll need a scaled down playbook? At this point I'd imagine Moore can make more of the throws required than Jake can. He's been here for 2 and a half seasons. Do you have proof he doesn't know the playbook?

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You have no proof to suggest he'll do worse. You only have what you think he'll do. I don't have proof he'll do better, only what I think he'll do. At this point we don't lose anything by seeing what we have in him.

All QBs have little starting experience until they're given a chance. How the hell do you expect to ever find a QB of the future without starting someone somewhere down the line with little starting experience? Why do you think we'll need a scaled down playbook? At this point I'd imagine Moore can make more of the throws required than Jake can. He's been here for 2 and a half seasons. Do you have proof he doesn't know the playbook?

I just base on what other teams do. If I remeber correctly even Cassel of New England was given a smaller playbook at the beginning. Despite being on that team for sevral years.

I agree to start him when we have another loss. If coach does it now he's risking a game of adjustment. If your a coach and still have a chance for for a 10-6 playoff chance you dont want to lose a game. We all know theres very little chance, but a coach doesnt/cant risk it.

And hey If Im wrong, and Moore is better, Ill be the first to eat my words. But IMO you keep jake until the next loss.

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Please show me where I said that. Both have a chance of costing us games. There nothing to suggest Moore can do any better then Jake has these last four games.

I just love when some not sure on wanting Moore to start, some people just label them as "Jake apologist". Make some no difference with being a "Moore cock sucker". Enough with the name calling. :rolleyes:

For now, Moore is a big question mark & too early to say if he is better.

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Part of the problem is that when Fox was hired as our head coach, defense was the key to winning. You could win the SB with an average/below average QB, so long as you had great defense and a running game. If you look at the Panthers SB run, for example the Eagles game, the Panther DBs were literally grabbing Eagle WRs who were past 5 yards, and slamming them to the ground, or completely haulting their routes. No calls. We win.

Things have drastically changed in favor of passing teams. DBs are watched closely, and even the slightest contact can be called PI. Offensive linemen are allowed to hold on about 9 out of 10 pass plays. Just about any type of high or low contact with a QB can be called roughing.

Fox has not adapted to the changes that have taken place. For example, Otah is often beaten on pass plays. I have never seen Otah hold a DE. Why has he not been taught to hold like crazy when in doubt? The other team is holding Peppers/Brown on every pass play, yet Otah is playing straight up. WHY? Because our coaching staff has failed to adapt.

Why spend $1,000,000 a game on a DE who is held more often than not? Peppers is an amazing DE, but more so when holding wasn't allowed. Now we're just wasting a huge amount of money for little gain. Bad value. Failure to adapt.

Keeping a core group of players who are far past their prime is a losing strategy. Jake and Moose have had fading ability for years now, and yet they start. The is a QB driven league, yet we start an aging QB with clearly fading ability. Moose can't get seperation, and he is not a big play threat. The NFL is now geared for big pas plays, and lots of passing TDs. Not RUN BLOCKING WRs! The current NFL system doesn't give 2 shits about slow WRs who can block. Fox does, and that's why he has totally failed this season.

Looking ahead, we need a QB who is a great deal better than Jake. We also need a #2 WR who is a real threat to score TDs on any pass play. I know where we can free up a shitload of money DON'T RESIGN PEPPERS! Need more cash? Let Davis walk. Stewart can hit the bricks as well when his contract is up. Hello $$$$$. With our zone defense, it's silly to pay Gamble a fortune to tackle WRs after the catch. So long Gamble. Hello cheap CB who can tackle! Now go get a QB, and an excellent #2 WR. It's possible. $$$$ can turn things around.

We can still be a run first offense, but with a passing game that scares the poo out of our opposition.

If nothing else, GET RID OF FLOPPING CAPTAIN INCOMPLETION!

No more Jake. No más! No más!

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