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Revisiting Brown vs Simmons...

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7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

When pass rush win rate was referenced, you claimed “what about a sacks? ”. Suh had 4 sacks his second year? Did he not play well or was he double-teamed constantly like Brown is? You just do your usual move the goalposts and “chuck” out any info that doesn’t fit the agenda. 

Suh came out and had 10 sacks in his rookie season. You don’t think and did you forget that OCs started game planning to Suh? Aaron Donald only has 3 sacks so far this season. Does he just suck or do you not realize that teams are trying to take him out of the game? That’s not the case with Brown. Like I said, if he can show to be a force in the running game I would be fine. Maybe I’m not seeing that because our linebackers are trash unlike Luke and TD who made a living because of Star. 

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2 minutes ago, Squid Game said:

Suh came out and had 10 sacks in his rookie season. You don’t think and did you forget that OCs started game planning to Suh? Aaron Donald only has 3 sacks so far this season. Does he just suck or do you not realize that teams are trying to take him out of the game? That’s not the case with Brown. Like I said, if he can show to be a force in the running game I would be fine. Maybe I’m not seeing that because our linebackers are trash unlike Luke and TD who made a living because of Star. 

I think this is a big part of it. So, too, is our general weakness on the edge at stopping the run, although that is thankfully improving it seems.

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5 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Do we have any evidence he would have traded up?  Yes, hurney 1.0 loved to trade up but all I'd heard is we wanted Herbert but he didn't fall to us.

Depends what rumor you want to believe? Was Hurney the “driving force” behind the Teddy signing and 34M guaranteed contract. Or was he in “love” with Hebert because he was the only guy that went to watch him work out. So he convinced the team to overpay a bridge QB even though he supposedly “loved” Hebert? 
 

  Truth probably is they believed in TB and would have taken Brown over Hebert even if he fell. You don’t pay a “mentor” that much. And Hurney had as much say as many of us did. 

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3 minutes ago, Squid Game said:

Suh came out and had 10 sacks in his rookie season. You don’t think and did you forget that OCs started game planning to Suh? Aaron Donald only has 3 sacks so far this season. Does he just suck or do you not realize that teams are trying to take him out of the game? That’s not the case with Brown. Like I said, if he can show to be a force in the running game I would be fine. Maybe I’m not seeing that because our linebackers are trash unlike Luke and TD who made a living because of Star. 

 Brown was double teamed the 6th most of any DL last year. I’d call that accounting for him. And propping up Star just further a my point. How many sack or pressures did he have. But he was still worth the pick. You are the one who doesn’t understand all this because it “what about sacks” and nothing else. 

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3 hours ago, gakonline said:

My brother is a long time dolphins fan & he whines every time San Diego gets a win. They were comparing Herbert to Marino coming out of college with size & strength. He said the GM at dolphins is a basket case & would like just one draft & free agency to get some players for the dolphins. 

Yeah the Dolphins always have a way of tripping over their own feet. 

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3 hours ago, Squid Game said:

Suh came out and had 10 sacks in his rookie season. You don’t think and did you forget that OCs started game planning to Suh? Aaron Donald only has 3 sacks so far this season. Does he just suck or do you not realize that teams are trying to take him out of the game? That’s not the case with Brown. Like I said, if he can show to be a force in the running game I would be fine. Maybe I’m not seeing that because our linebackers are trash unlike Luke and TD who made a living because of Star. 

Sacks aren’t the definitive stat for NTs. They’re not the end all be all qualifier for defensive linemen, not even DEs. They’re more important for DEs, but not the whole story. 

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3 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Sacks aren’t the definitive stat for NTs. They’re not the end all be all qualifier for defensive linemen, not even DEs. They’re more important for DEs, but not the whole story. 

 

I believe too many folks are caught up in the "If you aren't making highlight reel plays on instant repays, or ESPN highlights. You're not doing your job" mentality.

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8 hours ago, Toomers said:

Depends what rumor you want to believe? Was Hurney the “driving force” behind the Teddy signing and 34M guaranteed contract. Or was he in “love” with Hebert because he was the only guy that went to watch him work out. So he convinced the team to overpay a bridge QB even though he supposedly “loved” Hebert? 
 

  Truth probably is they believed in TB and would have taken Brown over Hebert even if he fell. You don’t pay a “mentor” that much. And Hurney had as much say as many of us did. 

I know someone in the building that told me the day of the draft that Hurney wanted to move up for Herbert, then there was contention about taking Brown. At the time I thought Hurney was crazy for trying to get Herbet, and god I was wrong.

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