Apathy

[DadOSO]

Tepper is the reason we're in this deep.

[Jaxel]

To be fair to Tepper, he tried to get Watson, the man just decided to go ham on his fetish.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Jaxel

[rayzor]

I started off the season more excited than I had been since 2015. 

Right now... 

[Seltzer]

53 minutes ago, blackcat said:

Same boat.  Our family has had PSL's since the beginning and now I own them.  I just don't care like I used to.  2015 was fun, but this team has had a history of mismanagement from Day 1 until this very day.  My kids aren't interested and if they were, they'd only want to stay for the first half.  I got spoiled last year watching it at home on the my porch and cooking out.

I still like it when they win and still don't like it when they lose, but it's just not important to me anymore.  I'll hold onto my PSL's and give them to customers/employees, but my days at BoA are over unless my kids want to go.

I feel ya 100%.  My oldest has just started to get into the Panthers, and there has never been as demoralizing a feeling as having him at the Eagles game only to watch complete offensive and coaching ineptitude while the stadium is overrun with Eagles fans.

And at some point, it's even beyond the money wasted.  The disappointment of my son not seeing even a competitive team and wondering why the stadium is full on non-Panthers fans is enough to make even a long-term supporter like me reevaluate what I'm doing...

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

I feel ya 100%.  My oldest has just started to get into the Panthers, and there has never been as demoralizing a feeling as having him at the Eagles game only to watch complete offensive and coaching ineptitude while the stadium is overrun with Eagles fans.

And at some point, it's even beyond the money wasted.  The disappointment of my son not seeing even a competitive team and wondering why the stadium is full on non-Panthers fans is enough to make even a long-term supporter like me reevaluate what I'm doing...

Damn. Smh. We've lost any collective pride we may have had left. 

[rippadonn]

39 minutes ago, DadOSO said:

Tepper is the reason we're in this deep.

He has to take the blame or credit that is due.

His credit sucks right now.

[hepcat]

I have been a Panthers fan most of my life having grown up in NC but I haven’t lived in the Carolinas in almost 11 years so my connection to the team is waning. If this team slips into a Washington Football Team era level of manic ownership meddling paired with miserable performances, I am gonna be outie 5000 pretty soon.

Low key I am hoping an NFL team moves to the Austin/San Antonio region I can support. Hopefully in the AFC.

[Jon Snow]

I almost lost hope during the Hurney 2.0 years but thought things would change when Tepper took over. Got fooled on that one right out of the gate when Ron and the goober were kept on. That was a gut punch.

Then just to rub my face in it he kept the dipshit "best talent evaluator " around to help pick the next coach. Tainted decision from the jump.  Not helping my disgust with the organization but at least Ron was gone.

Then finally a glimmer of real hope when Fitt was brought in.  But it appears even he may not have any input or power to try to fix this mess. This is the Rhule and Tepper show with Fitterer working the phones trying to get whatever new project Rhule comes up with. 

My faith and fandom has been stretched to the breaking point. It will not take much to finally do it in.

[Jmac]

It seems that Tepper considers owning an NFL franchise a ego thing and more of a hobby then actual dedication to the franchise. When you have the kind of jack he has, it can be easy come easy go.

What vested interest did he actually have in N.C.?  This place just happened to have a franchise needing new ownership due to J.R.'s fugup. 

[Proudiddy]

Yup.  The way 2015 ended took an awful lot of wind out of my sails.  It hurt.  Then the 2016 opener and subsequent games, watching as the NFL stood back and allowed Cam to be assaulted and maimed nonstop, that took a lot more.  It was hard to watch.  Like a bad dream on loop.  We finally got an MVP, a gamechanging player at the most important position on the field, a bona-fide superstar, a guy that loved this community and the community and fanbase loved him back, and the NFL and Ron and his staff destroyed him in slow motion, right in front of our eyes.

Then Tepper comes in and does all the poo he's done, including getting rid of Cam for two much lesser players to replace him, and then hiring a college coach whose word means absolutely nothing, who didn't bring in any experienced NFL mind to mentor him along the way, who filled the roster up with guys from college he liked, and now he has no fuging idea which way is up and which is down.

Dont get me wrong, we were always up and down since our inception as a franchise.  Very inconsistent and manic...  super highs and super lows, and a couple middling years here and there.  But, the last 7 years have been absolutely brutal, and despite the 1-15 and Pickles seasons, dare I say, far worse.

These last 3 weeks have been a microcosm of it all, and yeah, I just feel over it.  I still love the team, but it's like, "call me when you're ready to get serious," at this point.  The only news I've had to look forward to since the Eagles game is hoping someone got fired or hoping we trade for someone, because that's the only way we could be saved at this point, because the answer isn't in the building.

[Proudiddy]

8 minutes ago, Jmac said:

It seems that Tepper considers owning an NFL franchise a ego thing and more of a hobby then actual dedication to the franchise. When you have the kind of jack he has, it can be easy come easy go.

What vested interest did he actually have in N.C.?  This place just happened to have a franchise needing new ownership due to J.R.'s fugup. 

Also, in hindsight, not saying JR didn't deserve it, because he did...  but, looking back, even his forced sale seemed like the NFL overstepping their boundaries.  Look at the personal controversies Jerry Jones, Irsay, and Kraft have had and now the mess with Snyder and the WFT, yet, we're the only ones the NFL stepped in and made the owner sell?  Why is that?  And it just so happened Tepper was and had been rumored to have been waiting in the wings to buy the team and the NFL just matched him up.  Again, JR apparently was a creep and that is unacceptable, but what was going on within Washington is like 100 times what JR had going on here, and yet, the NFL is, just like with Kraft and the Pats, doing everything in their power to cover up for them and shield them from what they allowed to happen here.  And now we just got some rich guy with no ties to the community or area who doesn't give a fug about us or the team, really.  If there is a problem, he just throws money at it, but lacks the heart and spirit required to make a real difference.  And his solution was to jettison the biggest impact player in franchise history so he could "put his stamp" on the team, and then went and hired a fuging used car salesman and his team of college dweebs to turn things in the right direction.  And again, this isn't saying JR was a solution to our problems, as he struggled to build a winning team in his 20 years as owner, in large part because of his incessant meddling...  just pointing out the differences in how we have been treated by the NFL versus other franchises.  It just sucks to be a Panthers fan.

[KeithCuddi]

39 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I started off the season more excited than I had been since 2015. 

Right now... 

lmao you must not have watched any of Sam Darnolds game prior to Carolina, or the offensive lineman we signed.

[run-run-pass-punt]

I just treat the NFL as entertainment. It's fun rooting for a team and having some (figurative...and *small*) skin in the game, but you get no life points for being hardcore to your own suffering. It's their job to entertain *ME*. If they don't, I breathe easy and don't worry about it at all.

[Spatric]

If you folks think you have it bad read this and yake heart it can always be worse:  https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/10/25/robert-saleh-adam-gase-jets/

Robert Saleh's 2021 New York Jets squad looks frighteningly similar to Adam Gase's 2019 and 2020 Jets teams.

Robert Saleh’s New York Jets are on a historically bad pace
With their gruesome 54-13 loss to the New England Patriots in Week 7, Robert Saleh and the New York Jets have fallen to 1-5.

A 1-5 record is bad enough in itself, but the team’s overall performance level independent of the win-loss record puts them on track to become one of the worst teams – if not the worst team – in Jets history.

Yes, even worse than Adam Gase’s squads.

Let’s stack up the 2021 Jets against Gase’s 2019-20 Jets and some of the other brutal teams in Jets history.

Season-long pace
The Jets currently own a scoring margin of -95. They are scoring 13.3 points per game (32nd) and allowing 29.2 points per game (29th) for an average scoring margin of -15.8.

If maintained, that would be the worst mark in the history of the New York Jets.

Here are the worst teams in franchise history based on their average scoring margin at the end of the season:
 

1. 2021 (-15.8)
2. 1976 (-15.3)
3. 2020 (-13.4)
4. 1975 (-12.5)
5. 1996 (-10.9)
6. 1963 (-10.7)
7. 1962 (-10.4)
8. 1989 (-9.9)
9. 1995 (-9.4)
10. 2016 (-8.4)

We’re only six games in, so the Jets have 11 games to pull themselves out of the franchise’s all-time basement, but the sad fact of the matter is that the Jets very well could finish the season in this spot if they do not start playing a substantially better quality of football.

The Jets’ numbers in non-scoring categories indicate that their scoring margin is not a fluke based on their performance to this point. They are currently ranked 31st in total offense and 27th in total defense. If those rankings are maintained, they would become the first team in franchise history (since moving to the NFL in 1970) to rank bottom-six in both categories.

Saleh’s 2021 Jets have been out-gained by 130.2 yards per game this season. Not only is that the worst mark in the NFL this season, but it would be the worst in the history of the Jets as well:
 

1. 2021 (-130.2)
2. 1963 (-118.3)
3. 2020 (-107.6)
4. 1976 (-99.0)
5. 1975 (-87.6)
6. 2018 (-81.2)
7. 1971 (-77.9)
8. 1964 (-73.7)
9. 1977 (-73.4)
10. 1989 (-61.4)

Yikes.

Even before the New England debacle (551-to-299 yardage edge for the Patriots), the Jets had an average yardage margin of -105.8 over their first five games, which would put them on pace for the third-worst mark in franchise history.

Six-game start
The Jets’ six-game start in 2021 is up there as one of the worst that the franchise has ever experienced, comparing closely to Gase’s 2019 and 2020 teams.
Here is a look at the worst yardage differentials through six games in Jets history:
 

1. 1963 (-873)
2. 2019 (-859)
3. 2021 (-781)
4. 2002 (-720)
5. 1976 (-687)
6. 1971 (-662)
7. 2020 (-613)
8. 2001 (-607)
9. 2007 (-571)
10. 2006 (-463)

Here is a look at the worst point differentials through six games in Jets history:
 

1. 1976 (-122)
2. 2020 (-110)
3. 2021 (-95)
4. 1962 (-94)
5. 2019 (-93)
6. 1996 (-91)
7. 1995 (-90)
8. 2002 (-74)
9. 2016 (-69)
10. 2014 (-62)

We are witnessing perhaps the most embarrassing era in Jets history. The 2019, 2020, and 2021 seasons represent three of the five worst six-game starts in franchise history based on point differential.

The Jets are a young, rebuilding team, but that is no excuse for the level of ineptitude that has been shown thus far. This is a historically bad football team until proven otherwise.