Joe Brady on the hot seat.

[ladypanther]

From the new guy, Ellis Williams, at the Observer:

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Carolina faced a second-and-15 from their own 32. Under center in a balanced formation (two condensed receivers and two tight ends to each side), Darnold (14) motioned tight end Tommy Tremble (82) behind him. Notice how Tremble slowed before the ball was snapped. That’s poor timing. It lessens the run fake. Vikings middle linebacker Eric Kendricks (54) hardly steps toward the line of scrimmage and instead accurately diagnosed a throw. It’s a small error. But subtle mistakes show up too often within this Joe Brady offense. These mistakes are not Darnold’s fault but do add to his struggles.

Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article255270121.html#storylink=cpy

[rippadonn]

A NFL coach/staff could straiten this squad out almost immediately.

The talent is there.

 

[Fox007]

16 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

From the new guy, Ellis Williams, at the Observer:

Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article255270121.html#storylink=cpy

Yea I wasn't asking people questions when I said Brady is a part of the problem. It was a statement of fact.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Brady proves each week that he can't call a game. He also can't oversee development of an offensive line.

 

it was impossible to call a good game with Jimmy Clausen.  Name an OC.  His gameplan, his playcalls would collective look horrible.  Jimmy would make it so. 

That's Sam. 

Sam is beyond horrible.   Joe Brady is a scapegoat.   Everyone at LSU had career years in his O.  And last year, everyone had career years in his O.  Teddy not being good enough doesn't change the fact Brady brought out the most in him. 

and the OL is so horrific.  Joe Brady simply can't call basic plays.  He can't call the correct play in reality in short yardage.  Because the O can't get the most simplistic done against anyone.  We saw it in preseason.  Just line them up and see if they can run a basic run against a defense that knows it comng.  Think every starter got blown up on that goalline play.  That told you what you needed to know about the season. 

Sean McDermott was once a wonder kid.  Then the fans said he sucked and the coach fired him a defense being was horrible.   He was scapegoated.  The Eagles simply had no defensive talent.  and you can't scheme around massive talent issues in the NFL at certain spots. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Panther'sBigD said:

LMAO. You guys are ridiculous! We’re 1.5 years into a rebuild and you’re BIG MAD over the fact that we’re not already a contender. We don’t have an offensive line yet. This is the part of the story where we suck. I get that fans want the team to win, but this angry, uninformed fan fiction you guys are writing is seriously pitiful. Come on, man!

Sometimes you don't have to wait until the house is built to tell that the carpenters didn't know what they were doing, if you know what to look for. Rhule and Co. just weren't ready for the big leagues. It happens. 

[Fox007]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam is beyond horrible.   Joe Brady is a scapegoat.   Everyone at LSU had career years in his O.  And last year, everyone had career years in his O.  Teddy not being good enough doesn't change the fact Brady brought out the most in him. 

They get film on more than just players. Happens all the time where a coach as a good year then once the tape is out they can't adjust to the adjustments. If your OC has tells like has even been pointed out by defenders that's on him and will help make those OL/QB/whoever look even worse. They even knew our fake punt was on...100% on the coaches. If you can't grasp that..matter of fact before we waste more time on you. Defend them knowing the fake punt...then we can move forward.

 

 

 

[Khyber53]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was impossible to call a good game with Jimmy Clausen.  Name an OC.  His gameplan, his playcalls would collective look horrible.  Jimmy would make it so. 

That's Sam. 

Sam is beyond horrible.   Joe Brady is a scapegoat.   Everyone at LSU had career years in his O.  And last year, everyone had career years in his O.  Teddy not being good enough doesn't change the fact Brady brought out the most in him. 

 

I get where you're going, I'm just not headed down that path.

QB aside, and that Jimmy Clausen reference is pretty close to the mark except that Darnold has shown a few episodes of competence, there's the whole look of the offense that is worrying. I'm not talking about halftime adjustments (which have not been good at all), but also just the ability to adjust a game plan for the resources available. Someone earlier said Brady was just calling plays from a stolen Sean Payton playbook, but that Brady didn't actually understand how they work. Sometimes it seems that way.

At LSU, Brady was heralded as creating the most effective passing game college football had seen in a long time. It was fresh off his two year stint with the Saints and Burrows, Chase, Marshall, et al racked up wins and a national championship. Crowns all around, great stuff everybody. The next season, Brady moved on to the NFL to join Rhule's staff for the Carolina Panthers.

He had just one year with LSU and two years prior to that with the Saints. Now, he's an offensive coordinator and had been bandied about as the next hot HC prospect a la Sean McVey. Sadly, he's really just proving himself to have had a really great year and not a lot of experience. The cupboard was loaded at LSU that season, and it was nearly bare when he came to Carolina. Genius? Maybe. Deep understanding of building an offense from the ground up and getting full grown men earning millions of dollars to buy into what you are selling? Not looking like it. Understanding how to build an offensive line and use it to dictate the game at the pro level? No, he does not have that skill set. At all. He's a former wide receiver from William and Mary (a school that HAS produced two of the top coaches in the NFL right now) who still looks at the game from a pass-rich environment perspective. While this is a pass happy league right now, the winning teams understand the importance of more than just winging it and slinging it. We have no play-action passing game, no RPO, no moving pockets, and no screen game without CMC. We have a QB that is underdeveloped and regressing. We have a decent RB playing but getting very limited carries and have lost four games in a row, three that we should have won based purely on defense.

Sorry, TL;DR version: The young wunderkind got the flyer from a one year championship run, but does not have the history to build. He was Mozart for a year at LSU but has been unable to build the piano he is expected to play.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, Little Goody Two Shoes said:

When Rhule first got here, didn't he make a comment about not firing his assistants but helping them improve, instead?

He makes a lot of comments 

someone will answer but it won’t be Rhule and his $65 million contract 

[PantherPhann89]

10 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah and couldn’t throw a deep pass and checked down on 3rd and long. Once teams realized this they just kept their safeties in the box. He went to Denver for a 6th. 

What works, works. Sam can throw deep and Brady isn't giving him checkdowns. Teddy's biggest downside was scoring in the redzone and I believe him...

[Fox007]

Oh also how'd it look in the Super Bowl in the first half when they knew our plays

Change up in the second half and if you've read the interviews from the former players about that game...

Now listen to our offensive players and opponents defenders....I mean if there was a Crayola typing option up top here i'd damn sure be using it.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

They get film on more than just players. Happens all the time where a coach as a good year then once the tape is out they can't adjust to the adjustments. If your OC has tells like has even been pointed out by defenders that's on him and will help make those OL/QB/whoever look even worse. They even knew our fake punt was on...100% on the coaches. If you can't grasp that..matter of fact before we waste more time on you. Defend them knowing the fake punt...then we can move forward.

 

Sam Darnold paired with this OL  That's the primary issue.  You can't scheme up a successful O with that over the course of a season. 

again, go back and look at simliar Sean McDermott as an example of a coordinator scapegoated.  Talented young coordinator scapegoated because an org didn't put talent on the field for him to do his job.   Problem wasn't McDermott in Philly.  It was talent.  Problem here is Sam Darnold and our OL.   Not the guy drawing up an O that everyone has had career years in.   

and again, people have taken one comment and comically taken it out of context.  See Luke Kuechly.  Then find a game he played against whoever you deem was the best OC we faced.  Luke is calling out the majority of if the plays by whatever OC you think is great.   It's the NFL.  The opponents sometimes knows what you are doing....and you have to win the route.  And your QB has to find the guy that one the route despite the oppoennt knowing what is coming.  

[CPF4LIFE]

Brady isn't even better than shula and norv turner 

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

What works, works. Sam can throw deep and Brady isn't giving him checkdowns. Teddy's biggest downside was scoring in the redzone and I believe him...

It didn’t work. Other teams caught on and we spiraled just like Denver is now. 

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

What works, works. Sam can throw deep and Brady isn't giving him checkdowns.  

Sunday with a clean and time pocket...he threw deep into a sea of 5 Giants and player and was intercepted by our old friend.  The checkdown wideopen for a big gain. 

Sam is just bad. 

Find the greatest OC in NFL history and let me play QB for him.  Not a single play would work.   I got an Uncle Rico arm.  Trust me. It would be a clown show.   You can't put a QB like Sam Darnold on the field and think you have any clue what an OC is capable of or how good he is.  Brady already has a mountain to climb with the OL.  You can't give an OC both those problems.  Panthers set him up to fail.    It's not a Joe Brady issue.  You frankly can't evalute him at all. 

I remain anti-scapegoat. In football and in the real world life.   Firing Joe Brady isn't the answer.  But I do concede he will be one of the first 3 that go.